From zenitani at mac.com  Sun Feb  4 06:37:37 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:37:37 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 870] auctex/pdf
Message-ID: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>

Dear all,

Regarding the auctex/pdf issue, does everyone become happier if I put  
the below line into /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site- 
lisp/auctex/tex.el(elc)?

       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
      ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
+    ("^pdf$" "." "open -a Preview.app %o")
      ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
      ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
    "List of output file extensions and view options.


Seiji


From okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp  Sun Feb  4 08:26:49 2007
From: okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp (Haruhiko Okumura)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:26:49 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 871] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20070204.082649.106788551.okumura@edu.mie-u.ac.jp>

Is "open -a Preview.app %o" equivalent to "open %o" in the default
setting of Mac?  With auctex, PDFView.app is so much easier to use
that I'm willing to make it the default PDF viewer.

Seiji Zenitani <zenitani at mac.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> Regarding the auctex/pdf issue, does everyone become happier if I put  
> the below line into /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site- 
> lisp/auctex/tex.el(elc)?
> 
>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>       ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
> +    ("^pdf$" "." "open -a Preview.app %o")
>       ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>       ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>     "List of output file extensions and view options.
> 
> 
> Seiji
> _______________________________________________
> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
> 

-- 
Haruhiko Okumura <okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp>
Faculty of Education, Mie University


From zenitani at mac.com  Sun Feb  4 08:42:55 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:42:55 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 872] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <20070204.082649.106788551.okumura@edu.mie-u.ac.jp>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
	<20070204.082649.106788551.okumura@edu.mie-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <19D87561-B2D5-4C43-9239-E2516CBE798E@mac.com>

Okumura-san,

On 2007/02/03, at 18:26, Haruhiko Okumura wrote:

> Is "open -a Preview.app %o" equivalent to "open %o" in the default
> setting of Mac?  With auctex, PDFView.app is so much easier to use
> that I'm willing to make it the default PDF viewer.
>
Since I don't like Adobe Reader, I usually add "-a Preview.app"  
explicitly.  However, as a default configuration, "open %o" is more  
preferable, because the user can associate his/her favorite  
application with the ".pdf" extension.

So, the below line is OK?

+    ("^pdf$" "." "open %o")


Seiji

> Seiji Zenitani <zenitani at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Regarding the auctex/pdf issue, does everyone become happier if I put
>> the below line into /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-
>> lisp/auctex/tex.el(elc)?
>>
>>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>>       ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
>> +    ("^pdf$" "." "open -a Preview.app %o")
>>       ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>>       ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>>     "List of output file extensions and view options.
>>
>>
>> Seiji
>> _______________________________________________
>> macemacsjp-english mailing list
>> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
>> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
>>
>
> -- 
> Haruhiko Okumura <okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp>
> Faculty of Education, Mie University
> _______________________________________________
> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english



From okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp  Sun Feb  4 09:00:37 2007
From: okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp (Haruhiko Okumura)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:00:37 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 873] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <19D87561-B2D5-4C43-9239-E2516CBE798E@mac.com>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
	<20070204.082649.106788551.okumura@edu.mie-u.ac.jp>
	<19D87561-B2D5-4C43-9239-E2516CBE798E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20070204.090037.217871254.okumura@edu.mie-u.ac.jp>

Nobody wants to run Adobe Reader to preview TeX-generated PDF :-) so
if Adobe Reader has any chance of being aroused by the "open %o"
spell, I agree with you in specifying "-a Preview.app" explicitly.

I use PDFView.app and TeXShop.app because they can automatically
reload modified PDF files.

Seiji Zenitani <zenitani at mac.com> wrote:

> Okumura-san,
> 
> On 2007/02/03, at 18:26, Haruhiko Okumura wrote:
> 
> > Is "open -a Preview.app %o" equivalent to "open %o" in the default
> > setting of Mac?  With auctex, PDFView.app is so much easier to use
> > that I'm willing to make it the default PDF viewer.
> >
> Since I don't like Adobe Reader, I usually add "-a Preview.app"  
> explicitly.  However, as a default configuration, "open %o" is more  
> preferable, because the user can associate his/her favorite  
> application with the ".pdf" extension.
> 
> So, the below line is OK?
> 
> +    ("^pdf$" "." "open %o")
> 
> 
> Seiji
> 
> > Seiji Zenitani <zenitani at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Regarding the auctex/pdf issue, does everyone become happier if I put
> >> the below line into /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-
> >> lisp/auctex/tex.el(elc)?
> >>
> >>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
> >>       ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
> >>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
> >> +    ("^pdf$" "." "open -a Preview.app %o")
> >>       ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
> >>       ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
> >>     "List of output file extensions and view options.
> >>
> >>
> >> Seiji
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> >> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> >> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
> >>
> >
> > -- 
> > Haruhiko Okumura <okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp>
> > Faculty of Education, Mie University
> > _______________________________________________
> > macemacsjp-english mailing list
> > macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> > http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
> 
> _______________________________________________
> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
> 
-- 
Haruhiko Okumura <okumura at edu.mie-u.ac.jp>
Faculty of Education, Mie University


From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Feb  4 09:09:04 2007
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 01:09:04 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 874] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <58A40C12-0C68-4FD3-AEC1-E921A189098D@Web.DE>


Am 03.02.2007 um 22:37 schrieb Seiji Zenitani:

> Regarding the auctex/pdf issue, does everyone become happier if I put
> the below line into /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-
> lisp/auctex/tex.el(elc)?
>
>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>       ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
> +    ("^pdf$" "." "open -a Preview.app %o")
>       ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>       ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>     "List of output file extensions and view options.


Not me (but this does not matter as I am not using the built-in  
AUCTeX). I think it's more reasonable to use the script texdoc as  
viewer for all output formats that do not address "source specials"  
or that are not meant to meat a particular paper format (because xdvi  
cannot see which size and orientation a TeX document has in DVI which  
does not record this information ? and so Mac OS X "DVI" viewers like  
TeXShop or TeXniscope also fail to convert them to PDF appropriately).

The reason: texdoc is a valuable script to find (texdoc -l <name>) or  
to view (texdoc <name>) TeX documentation, which can come in DVI, PS,  
PDF, HTML, TXT format. Once texdoc has been customised to one's  
preferences: why do this boring thing again in AUCTeX?! Isn't it more  
reasonable to re-use the splendid texdoc? Well, I do ...

--
Greetings

   Pete

"Isn't vi that text editor with two modes... one that beeps and one
that corrupts your file?" -- Dan Jacobson, on comp.os.linux.advocacy




From zenitani at mac.com  Sun Feb  4 12:37:24 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:37:24 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 875] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <58A40C12-0C68-4FD3-AEC1-E921A189098D@Web.DE>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
	<58A40C12-0C68-4FD3-AEC1-E921A189098D@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <2786C959-D0EF-4B68-B0EB-C4455065B5BF@mac.com>

On 2007/02/03, at 19:09, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
> Not me (but this does not matter as I am not using the built-in
> AUCTeX). I think it's more reasonable to use the script texdoc as
> viewer for all output formats that do not address "source specials"
> or that are not meant to meat a particular paper format (because xdvi
> cannot see which size and orientation a TeX document has in DVI which
> does not record this information ? and so Mac OS X "DVI" viewers like
> TeXShop or TeXniscope also fail to convert them to PDF appropriately).
>
> The reason: texdoc is a valuable script to find (texdoc -l <name>) or
> to view (texdoc <name>) TeX documentation, which can come in DVI, PS,
> PDF, HTML, TXT format. Once texdoc has been customised to one's
> preferences: why do this boring thing again in AUCTeX?! Isn't it more
> reasonable to re-use the splendid texdoc? Well, I do ...
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>    Pete

OK, if texdoc is included in almost all major TeX distributions,
"texdoc %o" would be more reasonable. If not, I'll take "open %o".

Seiji



From javier_elizondo69 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 13:20:36 2007
From: javier_elizondo69 at yahoo.com (Javier Elizondo)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:20:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 876] Re: auctex/pdf
Message-ID: <287001.24912.qm@web55109.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I think it is very usefull if the pdf can be reload automatically, it saves a lot of time, so I would stick with the idea of PDFview.app at least someone know how to make the preview to reload automatically, I do not have any idea on this problem. 

Javier
----- Original Message ----
From: Seiji Zenitani <zenitani at mac.com>
To: macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2007 9:37:24 PM
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 875] Re: auctex/pdf

On 2007/02/03, at 19:09, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
> Not me (but this does not matter as I am not using the built-in
> AUCTeX). I think it's more reasonable to use the script texdoc as
> viewer for all output formats that do not address "source specials"
> or that are not meant to meat a particular paper format (because xdvi
> cannot see which size and orientation a TeX document has in DVI which
> does not record this information ? and so Mac OS X "DVI" viewers like
> TeXShop or TeXniscope also fail to convert them to PDF appropriately).
>
> The reason: texdoc is a valuable script to find (texdoc -l <name>) or
> to view (texdoc <name>) TeX documentation, which can come in DVI, PS,
> PDF, HTML, TXT format. Once texdoc has been customised to one's
> preferences: why do this boring thing again in AUCTeX?! Isn't it more
> reasonable to re-use the splendid texdoc? Well, I do ...
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>    Pete

OK, if texdoc is included in almost all major TeX distributions,
"texdoc %o" would be more reasonable. If not, I'll take "open %o".

Seiji

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From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Sun Feb  4 19:27:53 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:27:53 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 877] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041119500.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Regarding the auctex/pdf issue, does everyone become happier if I put
> the below line into /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-
> lisp/auctex/tex.el(elc)?
>
>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>      ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
> +    ("^pdf$" "." "open -a Preview.app %o")
>      ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>      ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>    "List of output file extensions and view options.

I will be happier, if this will make the default View of pdf files be in 
Preview instead of xpdf. And if something similar could be done for the 
dvi files, it would be even better (for example, with a command command 
that would convert the dvi into pdf and open the pdf in Preview).

Roussanka

>
>
> Seiji
> _______________________________________________
> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
>


From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Sun Feb  4 19:53:19 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:53:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 878] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <287001.24912.qm@web55109.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <287001.24912.qm@web55109.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041129160.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Javier Elizondo wrote:

> I think it is very usefull if the pdf can be reload automatically, it 
> saves a lot of time, so I would stick with the idea of PDFview.app at 
> least someone know how to make the preview to reload automatically, I do 
> not have any idea on this problem.

Using Preview has a big plus: it is the default pdf viewer of Mac, and 
has indeed many flexible features. And like you, its inability to refresh 
automatically the modified file.pdf is very irritating. But may be 
we should write about this to Preview's developer: if someone gives me 
their contact email address, I will write to them.

For now, I use the 2nd (quite convenient) of the following two 
workarounds:

1. In Preview' menu:
    File -> Reload

I do not like this way because it Reloads the modified fresher version of 
file.pdf, but on page 1, regardless of the last viewed page.

2. If, during viewing the file.pdf, I realize that I need to modify it, I 
just close it with Command (Apple/Clover)+W. Then, with the subsequent 
View from Emacs, Preview opens the file.pdf on the last viewed page.



From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Sun Feb  4 19:57:47 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:57:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 879] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <58A40C12-0C68-4FD3-AEC1-E921A189098D@Web.DE>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
	<58A40C12-0C68-4FD3-AEC1-E921A189098D@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041153310.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Peter Dyballa wrote:

>
> Am 03.02.2007 um 22:37 schrieb Seiji Zenitani:
>
>> Regarding the auctex/pdf issue, does everyone become happier if I put
>> the below line into /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-
>> lisp/auctex/tex.el(elc)?
>>
>>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>>       ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>>        "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
>> +    ("^pdf$" "." "open -a Preview.app %o")
>>       ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>>       ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>>     "List of output file extensions and view options.
>
>
> Not me (but this does not matter as I am not using the built-in
> AUCTeX). I think it's more reasonable to use the script texdoc as
> viewer for all output formats that do not address "source specials"
> or that are not meant to meat a particular paper format (because xdvi
> cannot see which size and orientation a TeX document has in DVI which
> does not record this information ? and so Mac OS X "DVI" viewers like
> TeXShop or TeXniscope also fail to convert them to PDF appropriately).
>
> The reason: texdoc is a valuable script to find (texdoc -l <name>) or
> to view (texdoc <name>) TeX documentation, which can come in DVI, PS,
> PDF, HTML, TXT format. Once texdoc has been customised to one's
> preferences: why do this boring thing again in AUCTeX?! Isn't it more
> reasonable to re-use the splendid texdoc? Well, I do ...

But, at least for some of us, and until someone makes a better texdoc, 
AUCTeX/Emacs settings or customizations are the only way to use Preview 
(or anything else) instead of xpdf and xdvi.

Roussanka

>
> --
> Greetings
>
>   Pete
>
> "Isn't vi that text editor with two modes... one that beeps and one
> that corrupts your file?" -- Dan Jacobson, on comp.os.linux.advocacy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
>


From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Feb  4 20:20:04 2007
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:20:04 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 880] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041129160.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
References: <287001.24912.qm@web55109.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041129160.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
Message-ID: <C93300B7-9957-4D52-A824-D0962AE6086D@Web.DE>


Am 04.02.2007 um 11:53 schrieb Roussanka Loukanova:

> But may be we should write about this to Preview's developer: if  
> someone gives me
> their contact email address, I will write to them.

https://bugreport.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/RadarWeb.woa

Report it as wish for an enhancement.

--
Greetings

   Pete

A blizzard is when it snows sideways.




From zenitani at mac.com  Sun Feb  4 22:15:59 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:15:59 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 881] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041119500.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
References: <14FAE46D-6FB9-455C-830A-E9A727E6B0F9@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041119500.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
Message-ID: <7A1B0FCC-5B07-4764-895C-FDC515D185E3@mac.com>

On 2007/02/04, at 5:27, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
> And if something similar could be done for the
> dvi files, it would be even better (for example, with a command  
> command
> that would convert the dvi into pdf and open the pdf in Preview).

No, there is no standard way to handle the dvi files. There are so  
many choices; for example, Mxdvi.app (Cocoa dvi viewer) or the  
dvipdfmx command (dvi -> pdf) are very popular in Japan, but probably  
they are not so popular in the world. I don't want to configure for  
those.

My current plan is as follows. In this case, texdoc is identical to  
open. But I am still wondering whether I should use "open %o",  
because texdoc is cheaper than I have expected. Introducing another  
wrapper increases the entropy...  If the user would like to use  
PDFView, the user can configure the AUCTeX variable or the texdoc  
command by himself/herself.

>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>      ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
> +    ("^pdf$" "." "texdoc %o")
>      ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>      ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>    "List of output file extensions and view options.


Seiji



From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Mon Feb  5 01:49:38 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:49:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 882] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <7A1B0FCC-5B07-4764-895C-FDC515D185E3@mac.com>
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:
...
> My current plan is as follows. In this case, texdoc is identical to
> open. But I am still wondering whether I should use "open %o",
> because texdoc is cheaper than I have expected. Introducing another
> wrapper increases the entropy...  If the user would like to use
> PDFView, the user can configure the AUCTeX variable or the texdoc
> command by himself/herself.
>
>>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>>      ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
>> +    ("^pdf$" "." "texdoc %o")
>>      ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>>      ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>>    "List of output file extensions and view options.

Then, which application would be the default View from Emacs for
1) a dvi file? 
2) a pdf file?

Does the user need to do something and if yes, what?

I've looked in the /usr/texbin/texdoc file of the latest TeXLive 
distributions, and the relevant lines, according to my knowledge (which is 
very poor), does not seem to set any vewing applications, except xdvi for 
.dvi files and TextEdit for .txt files:

   Darwin)
         : ${TEXDOCVIEW_dvi='(open %s >/dev/console 2>&1 || xdvi %s &) || 
echo "Metho
d for opening %s did not work"'}
         : ${TEXDOCVIEW_ps='open %s'}
         : ${TEXDOCVIEW_pdf='open %s'}
         : ${TEXDOCVIEW_html='open %s'}
         : ${TEXDOCVIEW_txt="open -a TextEdit.app %s"}

Roussanka


From zenitani at mac.com  Mon Feb  5 04:01:18 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:01:18 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 883] Re: auctex/pdf
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On 2007/02/04, at 11:49, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:
> ...
>> My current plan is as follows. In this case, texdoc is identical to
>> open. But I am still wondering whether I should use "open %o",
>> because texdoc is cheaper than I have expected. Introducing another
>> wrapper increases the entropy...  If the user would like to use
>> PDFView, the user can configure the AUCTeX variable or the texdoc
>> command by himself/herself.
>>
>>>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>>>      ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>>>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
>>> +    ("^pdf$" "." "texdoc %o")
>>>      ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>>>      ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>>>    "List of output file extensions and view options.
>
> Then, which application would be the default View from Emacs for
> 1) a dvi file?

At present I change nothing regarding the dvi files.
It is quite likely that emacs fails to launch the xdvi command.

> 2) a pdf file?
>
The open command is equivalent to double-clicking the file's icon.  
Therefore you can change the viewer application via the Finder's Info  
Window. Take a look at the "Open with:" section. In most cases,  
Preview.app is the pdf viewer.

Here's today's beta:
http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/


Seiji



From khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU  Tue Feb  6 06:56:05 2007
From: khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU (Kasper Daniel Hansen)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 884] Re: auctex/pdf
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On Feb 4, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

> On 2007/02/04, at 11:49, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:
>> ...
>>> My current plan is as follows. In this case, texdoc is identical to
>>> open. But I am still wondering whether I should use "open %o",
>>> because texdoc is cheaper than I have expected. Introducing another
>>> wrapper increases the entropy...  If the user would like to use
>>> PDFView, the user can configure the AUCTeX variable or the texdoc
>>> command by himself/herself.
>>>
>>>>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5r -s 0 %d")
>>>>      ("^dvi$" ,(concat "^" (regexp-opt '("a5paper" "a5comb")) "$")
>>>>       "%(o?)xdvi %dS -paper a5 %d")
>>>> +    ("^pdf$" "." "texdoc %o")
>>>>      ("^pdf$" "." "xpdf -remote %s -raise %o %(outpage)")
>>>>      ("^html?$" "." "netscape %o"))
>>>>    "List of output file extensions and view options.
>>
>> Then, which application would be the default View from Emacs for
>> 1) a dvi file?
>
> At present I change nothing regarding the dvi files.
> It is quite likely that emacs fails to launch the xdvi command.
>
>> 2) a pdf file?
>>
> The open command is equivalent to double-clicking the file's icon.
> Therefore you can change the viewer application via the Finder's Info
> Window. Take a look at the "Open with:" section. In most cases,
> Preview.app is the pdf viewer.
>
> Here's today's beta:
> http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/

In my opinion there is no discussion: the default setting should be  
to invoke "open" on the file. The user then needs to configure his  
system to work as he intends, eg. to associate PDFView permanently  
with PDF files (as I have done) and do something similar with dvi  
files. This is a default setting for an application - of course it  
should use default settings for that file from the OS. Anything else  
assumes quite a bit on how peoples systems are set up.

While I prefer PDFView for pdf files I do not think it is reasonable  
to enforce that on a user via a default setting.

There could be however, a question on the webpage on how to configure  
AUCTeX with a link to PDFView and similar (where I have helped  
putting up some (currently incomplete) solutions for Carbon Emacs.

Kasper



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From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Tue Feb  6 08:03:38 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:03:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 885] Re: auctex/pdf
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Hi Kasper,

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
...

>
> In my opinion there is no discussion: the default setting should be
> to invoke "open" on the file. The user then needs to configure his
> system to work as he intends, eg. to associate PDFView permanently
> with PDF files (as I have done) and do something similar with dvi
> files. This is a default setting for an application - of course it
> should use default settings for that file from the OS. Anything else
> assumes quite a bit on how peoples systems are set up.
>
> While I prefer PDFView for pdf files I do not think it is reasonable
> to enforce that on a user via a default setting.

I agree with you that this is a rational decision. For example, I prefer 
Preview, but this should not be forced on other users, and I myself may 
change my mind some day.

>
> There could be however, a question on the webpage on how to configure
> AUCTeX with a link to PDFView and similar (where I have helped
> putting up some (currently incomplete) solutions for Carbon Emacs.

Where is this information? May be you have a better solution than mine.

I myself have used the previous solution that I already posted: I added
up an external AUCTeX Command for viewing dvi files (by a compound command 
created with sh script which converts the dvi into pdf and then opens the 
pdf in Preview). By doing so, AUCTeX could not anymore, by default, open 
Preview for pdf files created with pdflatex. So, I just added this by 
Customize AUCTeX, I made by INS "open -a Preview" the default View for 
files with pdf ("^pdf$") extension.

How did you add PDFView?

Roussanka


From khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU  Wed Feb  7 04:33:58 2007
From: khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU (Kasper Daniel Hansen)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:33:58 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 886] Re: auctex/pdf
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On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:

> Hi Kasper,
>
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
> ...
>
>>
>> In my opinion there is no discussion: the default setting should be
>> to invoke "open" on the file. The user then needs to configure his
>> system to work as he intends, eg. to associate PDFView permanently
>> with PDF files (as I have done) and do something similar with dvi
>> files. This is a default setting for an application - of course it
>> should use default settings for that file from the OS. Anything else
>> assumes quite a bit on how peoples systems are set up.
>>
>> While I prefer PDFView for pdf files I do not think it is reasonable
>> to enforce that on a user via a default setting.
>
> I agree with you that this is a rational decision. For example, I  
> prefer
> Preview, but this should not be forced on other users, and I myself  
> may
> change my mind some day.
>
>>
>> There could be however, a question on the webpage on how to configure
>> AUCTeX with a link to PDFView and similar (where I have helped
>> putting up some (currently incomplete) solutions for Carbon Emacs.
>
> Where is this information? May be you have a better solution than  
> mine.
>
> I myself have used the previous solution that I already posted: I  
> added
> up an external AUCTeX Command for viewing dvi files (by a compound  
> command
> created with sh script which converts the dvi into pdf and then  
> opens the
> pdf in Preview). By doing so, AUCTeX could not anymore, by default,  
> open
> Preview for pdf files created with pdflatex. So, I just added this by
> Customize AUCTeX, I made by INS "open -a Preview" the default View for
> files with pdf ("^pdf$") extension.
>
> How did you add PDFView?

I added the following to my .emacs:

(server-start)
(defun raise-emacs-on-aqua()
   (shell-command
    "osascript -e 'tell application \"Aquamacs Emacs\" to activate' &"))
(add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-emacs-on-aqua)

The chunk above is to enable inverse search using PDFView and Emacs.  
You need to add some stuff to PDFView's preferences as well.

(require 'tex-site)
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook
	  (lambda ()
	    (add-to-list 'TeX-output-view-style
			 '("^pdf$" "."
			   "/Applications/PDFView.app/Contents/MacOS/gotoline.sh %n % 
(OutFullPath)"))
	    (add-to-list 'TeX-expand-list
			 '("%(OutFullPath)" (lambda nil
					      (expand-file-name
					       (TeX-active-master (TeX-output-extension) t)
					       (TeX-master-directory)))))
))

This one here just uses PDF view to open the file. Another way is to  
use Seiji-sans code and associated PDFView as the default application  
for PDF files (which I greatly prefer - it is a wonderful reader once  
you get used to it).

Kasper



From zenitani at mac.com  Wed Feb  7 11:56:17 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:56:17 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 887] Re: auctex/pdf
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Hi,

On 2007/02/06, at 14:33, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
>> Hi Kasper,
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> In my opinion there is no discussion: the default setting should be
>>> to invoke "open" on the file. The user then needs to configure his
>>> system to work as he intends, eg. to associate PDFView permanently
>>> with PDF files (as I have done) and do something similar with dvi
>>> files. This is a default setting for an application - of course it
>>> should use default settings for that file from the OS. Anything else
>>> assumes quite a bit on how peoples systems are set up.
>>>
>>> While I prefer PDFView for pdf files I do not think it is reasonable
>>> to enforce that on a user via a default setting.
>>
>> I agree with you that this is a rational decision. For example, I
>> prefer Preview, but this should not be forced on other users, and  
>> I myself
>> may change my mind some day.

Here's another beta. All of dvi/pdf/html files are set to use "open %o".
http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/

So, quick question: "texdoc" or "open"?


>>> There could be however, a question on the webpage on how to  
>>> configure
>>> AUCTeX with a link to PDFView and similar (where I have helped
>>> putting up some (currently incomplete) solutions for Carbon Emacs.
>>
>> Where is this information? May be you have a better solution than
>> mine.
>>
>> I myself have used the previous solution that I already posted: I
>> added
>> up an external AUCTeX Command for viewing dvi files (by a compound
>> command
>> created with sh script which converts the dvi into pdf and then
>> opens the
>> pdf in Preview). By doing so, AUCTeX could not anymore, by default,
>> open
>> Preview for pdf files created with pdflatex. So, I just added this by
>> Customize AUCTeX, I made by INS "open -a Preview" the default View  
>> for
>> files with pdf ("^pdf$") extension.
>>
>> How did you add PDFView?
>
> I added the following to my .emacs:
>
> (server-start)
> (defun raise-emacs-on-aqua()
>    (shell-command
>     "osascript -e 'tell application \"Aquamacs Emacs\" to activate'  
> &"))
> (add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-emacs-on-aqua)

(add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-frame) doesn't work?


Seiji



From khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU  Wed Feb  7 15:14:33 2007
From: khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU (Kasper Daniel Hansen)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:14:33 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 888] Re: auctex/pdf
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On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2007/02/06, at 14:33, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
>>> Hi Kasper,
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> In my opinion there is no discussion: the default setting should be
>>>> to invoke "open" on the file. The user then needs to configure his
>>>> system to work as he intends, eg. to associate PDFView permanently
>>>> with PDF files (as I have done) and do something similar with dvi
>>>> files. This is a default setting for an application - of course it
>>>> should use default settings for that file from the OS. Anything  
>>>> else
>>>> assumes quite a bit on how peoples systems are set up.
>>>>
>>>> While I prefer PDFView for pdf files I do not think it is  
>>>> reasonable
>>>> to enforce that on a user via a default setting.
>>>
>>> I agree with you that this is a rational decision. For example, I
>>> prefer Preview, but this should not be forced on other users, and
>>> I myself
>>> may change my mind some day.
>
> Here's another beta. All of dvi/pdf/html files are set to use "open  
> %o".
> http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/
>
> So, quick question: "texdoc" or "open"?
>
>
>>>> There could be however, a question on the webpage on how to
>>>> configure
>>>> AUCTeX with a link to PDFView and similar (where I have helped
>>>> putting up some (currently incomplete) solutions for Carbon Emacs.
>>>
>>> Where is this information? May be you have a better solution than
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> I myself have used the previous solution that I already posted: I
>>> added
>>> up an external AUCTeX Command for viewing dvi files (by a compound
>>> command
>>> created with sh script which converts the dvi into pdf and then
>>> opens the
>>> pdf in Preview). By doing so, AUCTeX could not anymore, by default,
>>> open
>>> Preview for pdf files created with pdflatex. So, I just added  
>>> this by
>>> Customize AUCTeX, I made by INS "open -a Preview" the default View
>>> for
>>> files with pdf ("^pdf$") extension.
>>>
>>> How did you add PDFView?
>>
>> I added the following to my .emacs:
>>
>> (server-start)
>> (defun raise-emacs-on-aqua()
>>    (shell-command
>>     "osascript -e 'tell application \"Aquamacs Emacs\" to activate'
>> &"))
>> (add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-emacs-on-aqua)
>
> (add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-frame) doesn't work

No, and I have just double checked.

Btw., in my posting, the line
    "osascript -e 'tell application \"Aquamacs Emacs\" to activate'
should have been
     "osascript -e 'tell application \"Emacs\" to activate'

Kasper

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From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Thu Feb  8 04:46:13 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:46:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 889] Re: auctex/pdf
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Hi,

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:
...
> Here's another beta. All of dvi/pdf/html files are set to use "open %o".
> http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/
>
> So, quick question: "texdoc" or "open"?

I like the latest version with "open". It takes care for all of the 
dvi/pdf/html files, which I find great. Then, if a user likes some other 
options, they can set up such for example with autcex/emacs 
custamizations.

Roussanka


From lists at philippewang.info  Thu Feb  8 06:53:42 2007
From: lists at philippewang.info (Philippe Wang)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:53:42 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 890] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <87B6A6BF-13E3-4FB2-A571-C9DD5799FCAF@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <45CA4A66.402@philippewang.info>

Seiji Zenitani wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2007/02/06, at 14:33, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
>   
>> On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Kasper,
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>       
>>>> In my opinion there is no discussion: the default setting should be
>>>> to invoke "open" on the file. The user then needs to configure his
>>>> system to work as he intends, eg. to associate PDFView permanently
>>>> with PDF files (as I have done) and do something similar with dvi
>>>> files. This is a default setting for an application - of course it
>>>> should use default settings for that file from the OS. Anything else
>>>> assumes quite a bit on how peoples systems are set up.
>>>>
>>>> While I prefer PDFView for pdf files I do not think it is reasonable
>>>> to enforce that on a user via a default setting.
>>>>         
>>> I agree with you that this is a rational decision. For example, I
>>> prefer Preview, but this should not be forced on other users, and  
>>> I myself
>>> may change my mind some day.
>>>       
>
> Here's another beta. All of dvi/pdf/html files are set to use "open %o".
> http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/
>
> So, quick question: "texdoc" or "open"?

Hello,
Thanks for paying so much attention to that matter !
:-o  :-)
In my opinion open is better because it's easy to add "-a PDFView" or 
"-a Preview" if the default reader is Adobe's one.
Now that I have tried PDFView, I prefer it to Preview when I make 
documents with LaTeX but I don't want to use it systematically.
So, when I am working on a LaTeX document, I open it once with "open -a 
PDFView" and it's done. If I just want to see it once quickl, I use the 
default application associated with .pdf files.

By the way, it is possible to add a "(click?) menu" to choose the app 
one wants to use to open pdfs in auctex mode ? (just asking, it would 
not be for me)


Cheers,
  Philippe Wang


From zenitani at mac.com  Sat Feb 10 09:10:28 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:10:28 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 891] Re: auctex/pdf
In-Reply-To: <45CA4A66.402@philippewang.info>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041119500.5142@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
	<7A1B0FCC-5B07-4764-895C-FDC515D185E3@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702041735310.7141@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
	<857DB6CB-0C13-4010-8E95-C18C7F092256@mac.com>
	<E0596490-4ABB-4852-B95C-7684F3AEFB10@stat.berkeley.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702052345400.17185@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
	<3100CB7B-5F7E-44F8-A60A-AF996A114DEB@stat.berkeley.edu>
	<87B6A6BF-13E3-4FB2-A571-C9DD5799FCAF@mac.com>
	<45CA4A66.402@philippewang.info>
Message-ID: <1AAB55F5-13B2-4BE8-9998-B461A2231579@mac.com>

On 2007/02/07, at 16:53, Philippe Wang wrote:
>
> By the way, it is possible to add a "(click?) menu" to choose the app
> one wants to use to open pdfs in auctex mode ? (just asking, it would
> not be for me)
>
Sounds possible but... you should ask the AUCTeX developers.


Seiji



From sfischme at seas.upenn.edu  Thu Feb  8 05:06:40 2007
From: sfischme at seas.upenn.edu (Sebastian N. Fischmeister)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:06:40 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 892] Emacs&X11 and Emacs&applescript
Message-ID: <AC41E451-80B8-4C31-8942-C84B9EBC4515@seas.upenn.edu>

Hi.

   I have two problems with Emacs (2007-01-06):

1) Somehow it screws up my X11 setup. X11 works fine until I open  
Emacs once on a freshly started system. After I started Emacs, the  
second terminal (Command-N) comes up with a weird font while the  
first uses the correct font. Also executing just 'xterm' uses this  
weird font. Some stretched out version of courier new.

2) The following causes Emacs to hang, however, it works well when I  
issue this command from a terminal:

(defun raise-emacs-on-aqua()
	(shell-command
		"osascript -e 'tell application \"Emacs\" to activate'"))
(add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-emacs-on-aqua)

Help would be appreciated.

Thanks a lot,
   Sebastian


From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sat Feb 10 19:12:17 2007
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:12:17 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 893] Re: Emacs&X11 and Emacs&applescript
In-Reply-To: <AC41E451-80B8-4C31-8942-C84B9EBC4515@seas.upenn.edu>
References: <AC41E451-80B8-4C31-8942-C84B9EBC4515@seas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <28B5928D-4DB2-41B1-838D-7B7485D4D4E1@Web.DE>


Am 07.02.2007 um 21:06 schrieb Sebastian N. Fischmeister:

> 1) Somehow it screws up my X11 setup. X11 works fine until I open
> Emacs once on a freshly started system. After I started Emacs, the
> second terminal (Command-N) comes up with a weird font while the
> first uses the correct font. Also executing just 'xterm' uses this
> weird font. Some stretched out version of courier new.

Can you describe a bit more detailed which X11 you are using what you  
mean with "terminal?" And which "Emacs" are you using? Carbon Emacs  
is not an X11 client. It's rather unlikely that one system (world) is  
changing something in the other system (world) ...

--
Mit friedvollen Gr??en

   Pete

Who the fsck is "General Failure," and why is he reading my disk?




From sfischme at seas.upenn.edu  Sun Feb 11 00:10:32 2007
From: sfischme at seas.upenn.edu (Sebastian N. Fischmeister)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:10:32 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 894] Re: Emacs&X11 and Emacs&applescript
In-Reply-To: <28B5928D-4DB2-41B1-838D-7B7485D4D4E1@Web.DE>
References: <AC41E451-80B8-4C31-8942-C84B9EBC4515@seas.upenn.edu>
	<28B5928D-4DB2-41B1-838D-7B7485D4D4E1@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <94DDBD25-8C48-4FB6-973D-053D37688152@seas.upenn.edu>

> Can you describe a bit more detailed which X11 you are using what you
> mean with "terminal?" And which "Emacs" are you using? Carbon Emacs
> is not an X11 client. It's rather unlikely that one system (world) is
> changing something in the other system (world) ...

Yes. Correct, that's what puzzled me. I use Carbon Emacs, however, I  
a fix for the problem. I think it was not Emacs, it was another  
application that I always started simultaneously via a macro.

    Sebastian





From khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU  Sun Feb 11 03:37:36 2007
From: khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU (Kasper Daniel Hansen)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:37:36 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 895] Re: Emacs&X11 and Emacs&applescript
In-Reply-To: <AC41E451-80B8-4C31-8942-C84B9EBC4515@seas.upenn.edu>
References: <AC41E451-80B8-4C31-8942-C84B9EBC4515@seas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <C6F1AEC6-8B97-440B-A647-79B7B0A2982C@stat.berkeley.edu>


On Feb 7, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Sebastian N. Fischmeister wrote:

> Hi.
>
>    I have two problems with Emacs (2007-01-06):
>
> 1) Somehow it screws up my X11 setup. X11 works fine until I open
> Emacs once on a freshly started system. After I started Emacs, the
> second terminal (Command-N) comes up with a weird font while the
> first uses the correct font. Also executing just 'xterm' uses this
> weird font. Some stretched out version of courier new.
>
> 2) The following causes Emacs to hang, however, it works well when I
> issue this command from a terminal:
>
> (defun raise-emacs-on-aqua()
> 	(shell-command
> 		"osascript -e 'tell application \"Emacs\" to activate'"))
> (add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-emacs-on-aqua)

Two things: when you call emacsclient (which you should when you use  
this script) you should remember to use
  # emacsclient --no-wait

Secondly, add an ampersand, it will help (but will spawn an ugly  
*Asynchronous Shell Output* buffer which I don't know how to deal  
with. Bu adding an ampersand I mean doing
     "osascript -e 'tell application \"Emacs\" to activate' &"))

Kasper

> Help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>    Sebastian
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From adrianb at uga.edu  Tue Feb 13 10:10:42 2007
From: adrianb at uga.edu (Adrian Burd)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:10:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 896] Time stamp issues in html-helper
Message-ID: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>

I've just started to use the Carbon Emacs package (I've been a long  
time emacs user on Linux systems).
I'm using a simplified version of my .emacs file from my Linux setups  
but for some reason, the automatic
time stamp updating feature in html-helper is not working. On my  
Linux box, this allows for an automatic
update of the time stamp on an html file when the file is saved after  
editing it. On the Mac however,
the timestamp is automatically inserted in a new file on the first  
save after it is created, but after that, it
is never automatically updated.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks,

Adrian


From irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp  Tue Feb 13 11:50:34 2007
From: irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp (irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:50:34 +0900
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 897] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>
References: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>
Message-ID: <m2mz3i4vph.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>

Hi Adrian,

At Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:10:42 -0500 (EST),
Adrian Burd wrote:
> I've just started to use the Carbon Emacs package (I've been a long  
> time emacs user on Linux systems).
> I'm using a simplified version of my .emacs file from my Linux setups  
> but for some reason, the automatic
> time stamp updating feature in html-helper is not working. On my  
> Linux box, this allows for an automatic
> update of the time stamp on an html file when the file is saved after  
> editing it. On the Mac however,
> the timestamp is automatically inserted in a new file on the first  
> save after it is created, but after that, it
> is never automatically updated.

Please set html-helper-do-write-file-hooks to `t'.

  (setq html-helper-do-write-file-hooks t)

# by default, this value is `t'.

It means add html-helper-update-timesamp function to
local-write-file-hooks. If you overwrite hook in .emacs.el,
that settings may be lost.

Best regards,

--
Eiji Honjoh

irodori RINGO - little tools for Mac OS X
http://irodori.sakura.ne.jp/


From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Tue Feb 13 19:05:17 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:05:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 898] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <m2mz3i4vph.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>
References: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>
	<m2mz3i4vph.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131047310.22578@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

Hi,

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> At Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:10:42 -0500 (EST),
> Adrian Burd wrote:
>> I've just started to use the Carbon Emacs package (I've been a long
>> time emacs user on Linux systems).
>> I'm using a simplified version of my .emacs file from my Linux setups
>> but for some reason, the automatic
>> time stamp updating feature in html-helper is not working. On my
>> Linux box, this allows for an automatic
>> update of the time stamp on an html file when the file is saved after
>> editing it. On the Mac however,
>> the timestamp is automatically inserted in a new file on the first
>> save after it is created, but after that, it
>> is never automatically updated.

I had that feature in the Emacs under Linux automatically, without adding
anything to my .emacs. And I used to get an initial template for html
content, including time stamp updating feature (with Date created and 
Last time updated), when I would start up a new file with extension .html. 
This feature works by default for Aquamacs under Mac too (I've just 
tested it). But I do not know how to get this with Carbon Emacs, which 
is my text editor for everything on my MacBook Pro Intel.

>
> Please set html-helper-do-write-file-hooks to `t'.
>
>  (setq html-helper-do-write-file-hooks t)

I've put this in my ~/.emacs file, but it doesn't work. Even if I create a 
file with my own template for test.html file, and not even if I insert 
Timestamp delimiter: it does not save any time.

It would be very nice to have these features for html files with Carbon 
Emacs.

Roussanka

  >
> # by default, this value is `t'.
>
> It means add html-helper-update-timesamp function to
> local-write-file-hooks. If you overwrite hook in .emacs.el,
> that settings may be lost.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Eiji Honjoh
>
> irodori RINGO - little tools for Mac OS X
> http://irodori.sakura.ne.jp/
> _______________________________________________
> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english


From irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp  Tue Feb 13 22:45:01 2007
From: irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp (irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:45:01 +0900
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 899] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131047310.22578@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
References: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>
	<m2mz3i4vph.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131047310.22578@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
Message-ID: <m2r6su189u.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>

Hi,

At Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:05:17 +0100 (CET),
Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp wrote:
> 
> > Hi Adrian,
> >
> > At Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:10:42 -0500 (EST),
> > Adrian Burd wrote:
> >> I've just started to use the Carbon Emacs package (I've been a long
> >> time emacs user on Linux systems).
> >> I'm using a simplified version of my .emacs file from my Linux setups
> >> but for some reason, the automatic
> >> time stamp updating feature in html-helper is not working. On my
> >> Linux box, this allows for an automatic
> >> update of the time stamp on an html file when the file is saved after
> >> editing it. On the Mac however,
> >> the timestamp is automatically inserted in a new file on the first
> >> save after it is created, but after that, it
> >> is never automatically updated.
> 
> I had that feature in the Emacs under Linux automatically, without adding
> anything to my .emacs. And I used to get an initial template for html
> content, including time stamp updating feature (with Date created and 
> Last time updated), when I would start up a new file with extension .html. 
> This feature works by default for Aquamacs under Mac too (I've just 
> tested it). But I do not know how to get this with Carbon Emacs, which 
> is my text editor for everything on my MacBook Pro Intel.

However, this feature works with Carbon Emacs Jan 2007(v2) on my
PowerMac G4/PPC. I'm not sure, but this problem may occur only Intel
Mac.

Could you try some commands on yor Mac?

  M-x html-helper-mode               ; run on non-html file
  M-x html-helper-mode-run           ; run on empty buffer
  M-: (html-helper-update-timestamp)

If these commands not work, I think that Carbon Emacs's html-helper
package have fatal problem.

Best regards,

--
Eiji Honjoh

irodori RINGO - little tools for Mac OS X
http://irodori.sakura.ne.jp/


From zenitani at mac.com  Wed Feb 14 01:02:21 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:02:21 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 900] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
Message-ID: <810230B8-0110-1000-FD76-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>

On 2007/02/12, at 20:10, Adrian Burd wrote:
> the timestamp is automatically inserted in a new file on the first  
> save after it is created, but after that, it
> is never automatically updated.
> 
> Am I missing something here?

It works for me.

On 2007/02/13, at 5:05, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
> 
> I had that feature in the Emacs under Linux automatically, without adding
> anything to my .emacs. And I used to get an initial template for html
> content, including time stamp updating feature (with Date created and 
> Last time updated), when I would start up a new file with extension .html. 
> This feature works by default for Aquamacs under Mac too (I've just 
> tested it). But I do not know how to get this with Carbon Emacs, which 
> is my text editor for everything on my MacBook Pro Intel.

That is "html-helper-mode", a third-party html-mode for editing html files.
Probably it was pre-configured on your Linux.
To use html-helper-mode, add the below line to your .emacs.el.

 (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.html\\'" . html-helper-mode))

The html-helper-mode *was* the de-facto standard,
but it *is not* standard these days.


- Seiji



From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Wed Feb 14 01:10:38 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:10:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 901] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <m2r6su189u.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>
References: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>
	<m2mz3i4vph.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131047310.22578@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
	<m2r6su189u.wl%saiki@irodori.sakura.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131652120.25005@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

Hi,

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp wrote:

[...]
>> I had that feature in the Emacs under Linux automatically, without adding
>> anything to my .emacs. And I used to get an initial template for html
>> content, including time stamp updating feature (with Date created and
>> Last time updated), when I would start up a new file with extension .html.
>> This feature works by default for Aquamacs under Mac too (I've just
>> tested it). But I do not know how to get this with Carbon Emacs, which
>> is my text editor for everything on my MacBook Pro Intel.
>
> However, this feature works with Carbon Emacs Jan 2007(v2) on my
> PowerMac G4/PPC. I'm not sure, but this problem may occur only Intel
> Mac.
>
> Could you try some commands on yor Mac?
>
>  M-x html-helper-mode               ; run on non-html file

it seems working (I am only guessing, because I've never used this): I 
opened a test.tex file. After <M-x html-helper-mode>, the tex 
syntax coloring disappeared, but this was everything that I got.

>  M-x html-helper-mode-run           ; run on empty buffer

I've started up a new file "test" with no extension, After
<M-x html-helper-mode-run> I got an html template (exactly similar to the 
one with Aquaemacs):

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN">
<html> <head>
<title></title>
</head>

<body>
<h1></h1>

<hr>
<address></address>
<!-- hhmts start --> <!-- hhmts end -->
</body> </html>

>  M-: (html-helper-update-timestamp)

I issued (i.e., typed) this in the mini-buffer of the above file: it seems 
working, because I got the time:

<!-- hhmts start --> Last modified: Tue Feb 13 17:00:33 CET 2007 <!-- 
hhmts end -->

When I saved this file as test.html, the time got updated to:

<!-- hhmts start --> Last modified: Tue Feb 13 17:02:02 CET 2007 <!-- 
hhmts end -->

But then, if I make changes and save them with Ctrl-x Ctrl-s, the time is 
not updated. If I issue again <M-: (html-helper-update-timestamp)>,
I get the following in a new sub-window *Backtrace*:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function html-helper-timestamp)
   (html-helper-timestamp)
   eval((html-helper-timestamp))
   eval-expression((html-helper-timestamp) nil)
   call-interactively(eval-expression)

I do not now what to do with this now :)

Roussanka

> If these commands not work, I think that Carbon Emacs's html-helper
> package have fatal problem.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Eiji Honjoh
>
> irodori RINGO - little tools for Mac OS X
> http://irodori.sakura.ne.jp/
> _______________________________________________
> macemacsjp-english mailing list
> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english
>


From zenitani at mac.com  Wed Feb 14 01:12:29 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:12:29 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 902] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
Message-ID: <810230B8-0110-1000-FDD4-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>

On 2007/02/13, at 11:02, Seiji Zenitani wrote:
> On 2007/02/12, at 20:10, Adrian Burd wrote:
> > the timestamp is automatically inserted in a new file on the first  
> > save after it is created, but after that, it
> > is never automatically updated.
> > 
> > Am I missing something here?

Reprodicible.

When I create a new html file,
the timestamp is automatically updated in the buffer.
However, when I open an existing html file, it doesn't work.

> html-helper-do-write-file-hooks

is t.

- Seiji


From zenitani at mac.com  Wed Feb 14 01:22:41 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:22:41 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 903] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
Message-ID: <AB01E3BB-0110-1000-8A9E-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>

It's magic-mode-alist!

(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.html\\'" . html-helper-mode))
(add-to-list 'magic-mode-alist
	     (cons (car (rassq 'html-mode magic-mode-alist)) 'html-helper-mode))

On magic-mode-alist, read M-x describe-variable magic-mode-alist.

- Seiji


From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Wed Feb 14 01:23:56 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:23:56 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 904] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <810230B8-0110-1000-FD76-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
References: <810230B8-0110-1000-FD76-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131714270.25005@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

> That is "html-helper-mode", a third-party html-mode for editing html files.

OK, I took it away from my .emacs file.
...
> To use html-helper-mode, add the below line to your .emacs.el.

Am I supposed to create it in my home directory: ~/.emacs.el. Or, is it 
already existing somewhere, and where? (I have not been successful to find 
it with

roussankas-computer:/ rosi$ find . -name "*.emacs.el*" -print

Roussanka

> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.html\\'" . html-helper-mode))
>
> The html-helper-mode *was* the de-facto standard,
> but it *is not* standard these days.
>
>
> - Seiji


From pa.news at free.fr  Wed Feb 14 01:34:39 2007
From: pa.news at free.fr (Pierre Albarede)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:34:39 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 905] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>
References: <20070212201042.APK26736@punts1.cc.uga.edu>
Message-ID: <F82DA7B2-9917-4EE2-8584-04BE62176303@free.fr>

Hi,

Le 13 f?vr. 07 ? 02:10, Adrian Burd a ?crit :

> I've just started to use the Carbon Emacs package (I've been a long
> time emacs user on Linux systems).
> I'm using a simplified version of my .emacs file from my Linux setups
> but for some reason, the automatic
> time stamp updating feature in html-helper is not working. On my

different emacs versions use slightly different time stamps.
Watch out for a minor format difference.







Pierre Albarede http://pierre.albarede.free.fr



From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Feb 14 03:41:16 2007
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:41:16 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 906] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <AB01E3BB-0110-1000-8A9E-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
References: <AB01E3BB-0110-1000-8A9E-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E2F8D59D-420C-4C3B-900A-81FB09F94EBD@Web.DE>


Am 13.02.2007 um 17:22 schrieb Seiji Zenitani:

> It's magic-mode-alist!

Ah: it has now html-mode pre-defined for XML and HTML ...

--
Greetings

   Pete

"What do you think of Western Civilisation?"
"I think it would be a good idea!"
                          -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi




From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Wed Feb 14 06:17:22 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:17:22 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 907] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <AB01E3BB-0110-1000-8A9E-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
References: <AB01E3BB-0110-1000-8A9E-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702132133480.27016@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

> It's magic-mode-alist!
>
> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.html\\'" . html-helper-mode))
> (add-to-list 'magic-mode-alist
> 	     (cons (car (rassq 'html-mode magic-mode-alist)) 'html-helper-mode))

I have put these settings into my ~/.emacs file. It works! I'd appreciate 
if you correct me, if ~/.emacs is not the best place to put the above 
settings.

Thanks a lot, for the question (I had in my mind too), but most thanks are 
to Seiji: for the solution, and most of all for the Carbon Emacs on Macs!

Roussanka


From rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se  Wed Feb 14 06:22:02 2007
From: rloukano at stp.lingfil.uu.se (Roussanka Loukanova)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:22:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 908] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <E2F8D59D-420C-4C3B-900A-81FB09F94EBD@Web.DE>
References: <AB01E3BB-0110-1000-8A9E-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
	<E2F8D59D-420C-4C3B-900A-81FB09F94EBD@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702132217290.27016@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Peter Dyballa wrote:

> Am 13.02.2007 um 17:22 schrieb Seiji Zenitani:
>
>> It's magic-mode-alist!
>
> Ah: it has now html-mode pre-defined for XML and HTML ...

It's great.

Roussanka

>   Pete


From zenitani at mac.com  Thu Feb 15 08:03:14 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:03:14 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 909] Re: Time stamp issues in html-helper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702132133480.27016@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
References: <AB01E3BB-0110-1000-8A9E-101DCC02CA80-Webmail-10016@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702132133480.27016@bahuvrihi.lingfil.uu.se>
Message-ID: <FCB96388-47C4-4540-89AA-89B871730AA7@mac.com>

On 2007/02/13, at 16:17, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Seiji Zenitani wrote:
>
>> It's magic-mode-alist!
>>
>> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.html\\'" . html-helper-mode))
>> (add-to-list 'magic-mode-alist
>> 	     (cons (car (rassq 'html-mode magic-mode-alist)) 'html-helper- 
>> mode))
>
> I have put these settings into my ~/.emacs file. It works! I'd  
> appreciate
> if you correct me, if ~/.emacs is not the best place to put the above
> settings.


I think both .emacs and .emacs.el are OK.
If you want to know further details,
take a look at the built-in info documents.


M-x info
-->

Emacs
* Emacs: (emacs).	The extensible self-documenting text editor.
-->

Customization
* Init File::		How to write common customizations in the
			  `.emacs' file.

The Init File, `~/.emacs'
* Find Init::	        How Emacs finds the init file.



Seiji


From javier_elizondo69 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 15 12:52:33 2007
From: javier_elizondo69 at yahoo.com (Javier Elizondo)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:52:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 910] enhance carbon emacs
Message-ID: <271053.50777.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hi, 

I installed the Enhance carbon emacs that was released today (see mail below). 
However, the pdf reader that opens is acroread, instead of PDFview. It is quite
weird for me. 

Does any one know what is going on?. I will appreciate any help.

Sincerely, Javier Elizondo
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Version: 1.0 public release, released 15 February 2007
(this fixes few bugs from the old beta version)

http://web.inf.unibz.it/~franconi/enhanced-carbon-emacs/

Enhanced Carbon Emacs is now a universal enhancement plugin for  
arbitrary (unix, carbon, or aqua) emacs distributions (such as Yaced,  
Aquamacs, CarbonEmacs Tiger, or the native darwin emacs in /usr/bin/ 
emacs). This includes a fully customisable LaTeX editing environment  
based on AucTeX, RefTeX, Preview and other packages. Basically, ECE  
is a convenient way to properly install a large number of pre- 
configured useful packages for LaTeX users, which includes a hack of  
AUCTeX, that allows to have a more intuitive handling of the "view"  
command in a macintosh context (in particular, for non-pdftex users  
willing to preview in pdf). From emacs, you can launch directly any  
latex process or any mac application on files or regions you are  
working on.

The installer installs the ECE plugin in /Library/Application Support/ 
emacs/

If you are not using aquamacs, then you should add in your .emacs

;; Load Enhanced Carbon Emacs plugin
(unless   (or (boundp 'enhanced-carbon-emacs) (boundp 'aquamacs- 
version))
   (defun load-local-site-start (site-lisp-directory)
   "Load site-start.el from a given site-lisp directory"
    (let ((current-default-directory default-directory))
     (setq default-directory site-lisp-directory)
     (normal-top-level-add-subdirs-to-load-path)
     (setq default-directory current-default-directory)
     (setq load-path (cons site-lisp-directory load-path))
     (load (concat site-lisp-directory "/site-start.el"))
     ))
   (load-local-site-start "/Library/Application Support/Emacs/ec- 
emacs/site-lisp")) 




 
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From zenitani at mac.com  Fri Feb 16 14:57:38 2007
From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:57:38 -0500
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 911] Re: enhance carbon emacs
In-Reply-To: <271053.50777.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <271053.50777.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA5689C5-FE0F-4D77-BFA0-3F43EFC00AD3@mac.com>

Hi,

On 2007/02/14, at 22:52, Javier Elizondo wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I installed the Enhance carbon emacs that was released today (see  
> mail below).
> However, the pdf reader that opens is acroread, instead of PDFview.  
> It is quite
> weird for me.
>
> Does any one know what is going on?. I will appreciate any help.
>
> Sincerely, Javier Elizondo


8<

> This includes a fully customisable LaTeX editing environment
> based on AucTeX, RefTeX, Preview and other packages.

8<

Carbon Emacs Package contains AUCTeX, RefTeX and preview-latex...
Probably Aquamacs emacs contains them, too.


Seiji



From david.reitter at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 17:04:50 2007
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:04:50 +0000
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 912] Re: enhance carbon emacs
In-Reply-To: <CA5689C5-FE0F-4D77-BFA0-3F43EFC00AD3@mac.com>
References: <271053.50777.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<CA5689C5-FE0F-4D77-BFA0-3F43EFC00AD3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <784CFC58-FCE3-4E2B-8C7E-602DE1FBF151@gmail.com>

On 16 Feb 2007, at 05:57, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

>> This includes a fully customisable LaTeX editing environment
>> based on AucTeX, RefTeX, Preview and other packages.
>
> 8<
>
> Carbon Emacs Package contains AUCTeX, RefTeX and preview-latex...
> Probably Aquamacs emacs contains them, too.

Yes, it does, and I hope the Plugin won't cause problems due to the  
double installation of [different versions] of AUCTeX and friends...
Feedback from users (works / doesn't work) would be appreciated.

D



From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Fri Feb 16 23:45:06 2007
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:45:06 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 913] Re: enhance carbon emacs
In-Reply-To: <271053.50777.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <271053.50777.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F64DB4C-D60B-4027-A62B-1C493133BCFE@Web.DE>


Am 15.02.2007 um 04:52 schrieb Javier Elizondo:

> I installed the Enhance carbon emacs that was released today (see  
> mail below).
> However, the pdf reader that opens is acroread, instead of PDFview.

There is a dot-emacs.el supplied with this package. It has these two  
lines

	(setq pdf-previewer-program "open -a PDFView")
	(setq dvi-previewer-program "open -a texniscope")

I'd recommend to create a personal copy of the texdoc script, adjust  
there the viewers, and set the *-previewer-programs each to texdoc.

--
Greetings

   Pete

"What do you think of Western Civilisation?"
"I think it would be a good idea!"
                          -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi




From khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU  Mon Feb 19 04:23:39 2007
From: khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU (Kasper Daniel Hansen)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:23:39 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 914] emacs full screen
Message-ID: <1B7DCA27-D2BA-4CA5-8C36-3B8277B9DB8B@stat.berkeley.edu>

This is my solution, based on some advice from Seiji-san regarding  
two things:
1) I want to be able to maximize Emacs so that it covers all of the  
available screen, including the menu bar and the dock (this is called  
presentation mode in some applications)
2) I am regularly using an external monitor and want to change my  
emacs settings (especially font and window size) between my laptop  
and my external display

My solution uses two functions mac-switch-display which switches  
between window configurations and mac-resize-display which switches  
between normal and full screen mode. The two functions are bound to M- 
f1 and M-f2. I never use more than a  single frame, so I am not sure  
how it works with several frames.

The settings are defined in the variable mac-display-list and should  
be quite obvious. The positions are in pixels and the sizes are in  
characters. It seems like Emacs _needs_ a character based frame size.  
For that reason it may be difficult to _exact;_ cover the entire  
screen estate (I have a few pixels worth of empty space, when  
maximizing on my laptop). For obvious reasons, a character based  
width is very dependent on the font you are using, so I gave up on  
auto-setting it.

In case you need to discover what the position/size of you frame is  
for configuration purpose, entering these lines into the scratch  
buffer will help:

(frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'font)
(frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'height)
(frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'left)
(frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'top)

You use them by placing the cursor at the end of the line _right next  
to the last )_ and then press C-x C-e.

Without further ado, here is the relevant part from my dot-emacs:


(setq mac-display-list
       '((external . ((name . "external")
		     (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset- 
hiraginokaku")
		     (normalsize . (110 48))
		     (normalposition . (0 22))
		     (maxsize . (164 49))))
	(laptop . ((name . "laptop")
		   (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-hiraginokaku")
		   (normalsize . (80 38))
		   (normalposition . (0 22))
		   (maxsize . (124 39))))
	))

(defun mac-switch-display ()
   "Switches the display type between laptop and external"
   (interactive)
   (cond ((equal (cdr (assoc 'name mac-current-display)) "laptop")
	 (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'external mac-display-list))))
	((equal (cdr (assoc 'name mac-current-display)) "external")
	 (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'laptop mac-display-list))))
	)
   (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc  
'normalsize mac-current-display))))
   (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc  
'normalposition mac-current-display))))
   (apply 'set-frame-font (list (cdr (assoc 'font mac-current- 
display))))
   )

(defun mac-resize-display ()
   "Resizes the display. Toggles between the maxed and normal display  
size. If the current displaysize is smaller than the normal display  
size, switch to the normal display size. All sizes are frame widths"
   (interactive)
   (cond ((< (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr  
(assoc 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
	 (mac-show-menu-bar)
	 (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc  
'normalposition mac-current-display))))
	 (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc  
'normalsize mac-current-display))))
	 )
	((< (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr (assoc  
'maxsize mac-current-display))))
	 (mac-hide-menu-bar)
	 (set-frame-position (selected-frame) 0 0)
	 (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc 'maxsize  
mac-current-display))))
	 )
	((= (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr (assoc  
'maxsize mac-current-display))))
	 (mac-show-menu-bar)
	 (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc  
'normalposition mac-current-display))))
	 (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc  
'normalsize mac-current-display))))
	 )
))

(if (eq window-system 'mac)
   (progn (require 'carbon-font)
	 (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'external mac-display-list)))
	 (mac-switch-display)
	 (global-set-key (kbd "<M-f1>") 'mac-resize-display)
	 (global-set-key (kbd "<M-f2>") 'mac-switch-display)
))


Kasper


From chasrmartin at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 12:04:48 2007
From: chasrmartin at gmail.com (Charles Martin)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:04:48 -0700
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 915] Re: macemacsjp-english Digest, Vol 24,
	Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <20070219030013.577194B115D@lists.sourceforge.jp>
References: <20070219030013.577194B115D@lists.sourceforge.jp>
Message-ID: <ba5c48a70702181904x36beadeo2c39916263a68bc1@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, guys, what are the odds of being able to get EMACS to do a *real*
full screen mode on MAC OS?

On 2/18/07, macemacsjp-english-request at lists.sourceforge.jp
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> From: Kasper Daniel Hansen <khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU>
> Subject: [macemacsjp-english 914] emacs full screen
> To: macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
> Message-ID: <1B7DCA27-D2BA-4CA5-8C36-3B8277B9DB8B at stat.berkeley.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> This is my solution, based on some advice from Seiji-san regarding
> two things:
> 1) I want to be able to maximize Emacs so that it covers all of the
> available screen, including the menu bar and the dock (this is called
> presentation mode in some applications)
> 2) I am regularly using an external monitor and want to change my
> emacs settings (especially font and window size) between my laptop
> and my external display
>
> My solution uses two functions mac-switch-display which switches
> between window configurations and mac-resize-display which switches
> between normal and full screen mode. The two functions are bound to M-
> f1 and M-f2. I never use more than a  single frame, so I am not sure
> how it works with several frames.
>
> The settings are defined in the variable mac-display-list and should
> be quite obvious. The positions are in pixels and the sizes are in
> characters. It seems like Emacs _needs_ a character based frame size.
> For that reason it may be difficult to _exact;_ cover the entire
> screen estate (I have a few pixels worth of empty space, when
> maximizing on my laptop). For obvious reasons, a character based
> width is very dependent on the font you are using, so I gave up on
> auto-setting it.
>
> In case you need to discover what the position/size of you frame is
> for configuration purpose, entering these lines into the scratch
> buffer will help:
>
> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'font)
> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'height)
> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'left)
> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'top)
>
> You use them by placing the cursor at the end of the line _right next
> to the last )_ and then press C-x C-e.
>
> Without further ado, here is the relevant part from my dot-emacs:
>
>
> (setq mac-display-list
>        '((external . ((name . "external")
>                      (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-
> hiraginokaku")
>                      (normalsize . (110 48))
>                      (normalposition . (0 22))
>                      (maxsize . (164 49))))
>         (laptop . ((name . "laptop")
>                    (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-hiraginokaku")
>                    (normalsize . (80 38))
>                    (normalposition . (0 22))
>                    (maxsize . (124 39))))
>         ))
>
> (defun mac-switch-display ()
>    "Switches the display type between laptop and external"
>    (interactive)
>    (cond ((equal (cdr (assoc 'name mac-current-display)) "laptop")
>          (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'external mac-display-list))))
>         ((equal (cdr (assoc 'name mac-current-display)) "external")
>          (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'laptop mac-display-list))))
>         )
>    (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
> 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>    (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
> 'normalposition mac-current-display))))
>    (apply 'set-frame-font (list (cdr (assoc 'font mac-current-
> display))))
>    )
>
> (defun mac-resize-display ()
>    "Resizes the display. Toggles between the maxed and normal display
> size. If the current displaysize is smaller than the normal display
> size, switch to the normal display size. All sizes are frame widths"
>    (interactive)
>    (cond ((< (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr
> (assoc 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>          (mac-show-menu-bar)
>          (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
> 'normalposition mac-current-display))))
>          (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
> 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>          )
>         ((< (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr (assoc
> 'maxsize mac-current-display))))
>          (mac-hide-menu-bar)
>          (set-frame-position (selected-frame) 0 0)
>          (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc 'maxsize
> mac-current-display))))
>          )
>         ((= (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr (assoc
> 'maxsize mac-current-display))))
>          (mac-show-menu-bar)
>          (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
> 'normalposition mac-current-display))))
>          (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
> 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>          )
> ))
>
> (if (eq window-system 'mac)
>    (progn (require 'carbon-font)
>          (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'external mac-display-list)))
>          (mac-switch-display)
>          (global-set-key (kbd "<M-f1>") 'mac-resize-display)
>          (global-set-key (kbd "<M-f2>") 'mac-switch-display)
> ))
>
>
> Kasper
>
>
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From khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU  Mon Feb 19 12:13:30 2007
From: khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU (Kasper Daniel Hansen)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:13:30 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 916] Re: macemacsjp-english Digest, Vol 24,
	Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <ba5c48a70702181904x36beadeo2c39916263a68bc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070219030013.577194B115D@lists.sourceforge.jp>
	<ba5c48a70702181904x36beadeo2c39916263a68bc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA74F66C-ACDC-4684-94CF-D2B63F79FBCC@stat.berkeley.edu>

What is not *real* about my functions? I thought originally that it  
was doable with some Mac programming, but was directed to the mac- 
hide-menubar function, and while I agree it is not "standard", I  
think it _works_ beautifully.

Kasper

On Feb 18, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Charles Martin wrote:

> Hey, guys, what are the odds of being able to get EMACS to do a *real*
> full screen mode on MAC OS?
>
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>>    1. [macemacsjp-english 914] emacs full screen (Kasper Daniel  
>> Hansen)
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:23:39 -0800
>> From: Kasper Daniel Hansen <khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU>
>> Subject: [macemacsjp-english 914] emacs full screen
>> To: macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
>> Message-ID: <1B7DCA27-D2BA-4CA5-8C36-3B8277B9DB8B at stat.berkeley.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> This is my solution, based on some advice from Seiji-san regarding
>> two things:
>> 1) I want to be able to maximize Emacs so that it covers all of the
>> available screen, including the menu bar and the dock (this is called
>> presentation mode in some applications)
>> 2) I am regularly using an external monitor and want to change my
>> emacs settings (especially font and window size) between my laptop
>> and my external display
>>
>> My solution uses two functions mac-switch-display which switches
>> between window configurations and mac-resize-display which switches
>> between normal and full screen mode. The two functions are bound  
>> to M-
>> f1 and M-f2. I never use more than a  single frame, so I am not sure
>> how it works with several frames.
>>
>> The settings are defined in the variable mac-display-list and should
>> be quite obvious. The positions are in pixels and the sizes are in
>> characters. It seems like Emacs _needs_ a character based frame size.
>> For that reason it may be difficult to _exact;_ cover the entire
>> screen estate (I have a few pixels worth of empty space, when
>> maximizing on my laptop). For obvious reasons, a character based
>> width is very dependent on the font you are using, so I gave up on
>> auto-setting it.
>>
>> In case you need to discover what the position/size of you frame is
>> for configuration purpose, entering these lines into the scratch
>> buffer will help:
>>
>> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'font)
>> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'height)
>> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'left)
>> (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'top)
>>
>> You use them by placing the cursor at the end of the line _right next
>> to the last )_ and then press C-x C-e.
>>
>> Without further ado, here is the relevant part from my dot-emacs:
>>
>>
>> (setq mac-display-list
>>        '((external . ((name . "external")
>>                      (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--16-*-*-*-*-*- 
>> fontset-
>> hiraginokaku")
>>                      (normalsize . (110 48))
>>                      (normalposition . (0 22))
>>                      (maxsize . (164 49))))
>>         (laptop . ((name . "laptop")
>>                    (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*- 
>> fontset-hiraginokaku")
>>                    (normalsize . (80 38))
>>                    (normalposition . (0 22))
>>                    (maxsize . (124 39))))
>>         ))
>>
>> (defun mac-switch-display ()
>>    "Switches the display type between laptop and external"
>>    (interactive)
>>    (cond ((equal (cdr (assoc 'name mac-current-display)) "laptop")
>>          (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'external mac- 
>> display-list))))
>>         ((equal (cdr (assoc 'name mac-current-display)) "external")
>>          (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'laptop mac-display- 
>> list))))
>>         )
>>    (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
>> 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>>    (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
>> 'normalposition mac-current-display))))
>>    (apply 'set-frame-font (list (cdr (assoc 'font mac-current-
>> display))))
>>    )
>>
>> (defun mac-resize-display ()
>>    "Resizes the display. Toggles between the maxed and normal display
>> size. If the current displaysize is smaller than the normal display
>> size, switch to the normal display size. All sizes are frame widths"
>>    (interactive)
>>    (cond ((< (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr
>> (assoc 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>>          (mac-show-menu-bar)
>>          (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr  
>> (assoc
>> 'normalposition mac-current-display))))
>>          (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
>> 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>>          )
>>         ((< (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr  
>> (assoc
>> 'maxsize mac-current-display))))
>>          (mac-hide-menu-bar)
>>          (set-frame-position (selected-frame) 0 0)
>>          (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc  
>> 'maxsize
>> mac-current-display))))
>>          )
>>         ((= (frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'width) (car (cdr  
>> (assoc
>> 'maxsize mac-current-display))))
>>          (mac-show-menu-bar)
>>          (apply 'set-frame-position (cons (selected-frame) (cdr  
>> (assoc
>> 'normalposition mac-current-display))))
>>          (apply 'set-frame-size (cons (selected-frame) (cdr (assoc
>> 'normalsize mac-current-display))))
>>          )
>> ))
>>
>> (if (eq window-system 'mac)
>>    (progn (require 'carbon-font)
>>          (setq mac-current-display (cdr (assoc 'external mac- 
>> display-list)))
>>          (mac-switch-display)
>>          (global-set-key (kbd "<M-f1>") 'mac-resize-display)
>>          (global-set-key (kbd "<M-f2>") 'mac-switch-display)
>> ))
>>
>>
>> Kasper
>>
>>
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From federico.maggi at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 18:13:26 2007
From: federico.maggi at gmail.com (Federico Maggi)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:13:26 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 917] `list' is not a known ERC module
Message-ID: <1B1AAB0C-AF8A-46BA-A195-4A77959F69B2@gmail.com>

	Hi,
after having updated at last release of Carbon Emacs Package, I  
cannot use ERC anymore. Here is a dump of what happened after M-x erc  
and logging into irc.freenode.net:6667:

	Loading erc...done
	erc-update-modules: `list' is not a known ERC module

Do you see any possible solution/reason? Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

--

Federico www.Maggi.cc




From alama at stanford.edu  Sat Feb 24 04:06:57 2007
From: alama at stanford.edu (Jesse Alama)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:06:57 -0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 918] Re: `list' is not a known ERC module
References: <1B1AAB0C-AF8A-46BA-A195-4A77959F69B2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2mz34hewe.fsf@dnab423955.stanford.edu>

Hi Federico,

Federico Maggi <federico.maggi at gmail.com> writes:

> after having updated at last release of Carbon Emacs Package, I  
> cannot use ERC anymore. Here is a dump of what happened after M-x erc  
> and logging into irc.freenode.net:6667:
>
> 	Loading erc...done
> 	erc-update-modules: `list' is not a known ERC module
>
> Do you see any possible solution/reason? Thanks in advance.

I believe the ERC developers have seen this bug before.  Try asking on
erc-discuss at gnu.org.

Jesse

-- 
Jesse Alama (alama at stanford.edu)
*143: No implicit qualification (http://www.mizar.org)



From matsuan at ca2.so-net.ne.jp  Sun Feb 25 18:43:36 2007
From: matsuan at ca2.so-net.ne.jp (Takashi Hiromatsu)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:43:36 +0900
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 919] transparency3 was released
Message-ID: <m2zm72h8s7.wl%matsuan@ca2.so-net.ne.jp>


New transparency patch was released as transparency3.

System requirements:
    Emacs 22.0.92 or later on the following platforms
     * Mac OS X 10.2 or later
     * Windows XP/2000/ME
     * X.org (6.8 or later) and XGL with "X Compositing manager"
	(xcompmgr, compiz or something like them)

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.jp/macemacsjp/24136/transparency-3.0.0.tar.gz

Takashi Hiromatsu


From zenitani at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 12:00:24 2007
From: zenitani at gmail.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:00:24 -1000
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 920] new beta
Message-ID: <9C30761E-53F9-4E38-BD82-FC08771FE953@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Here's latest beta:
http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/


Sincerely,

Seiji Zenitani
zenitani at gmail.com



From zenitani at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 12:02:37 2007
From: zenitani at gmail.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:02:37 -1000
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 921] How to build Carbon Emacs Package
Message-ID: <72BEED31-4E6B-42DC-83B9-777EA089CC36@gmail.com>

Hi all,

In case I got hit by a bus, I send to you
an instruction to build Carbon Emacs Package on Tiger.
You are very welcome to try the following,
if you would like to explore Carbon Emacs Package in depth.

Sincerely,

Seiji Zenitani
zenitani at gmail.com

___________________________________________________________________


== System Requirements ==

* Mac OS X 10.4.8 or later
* XCode 2.4.1 or later
* relatively "new" TeX distribution in your PATH
   AUCTeX requires dvipng 1.6 or later, tex, gs etc.
* no fink
   If you have installed fink in /sw,
   temporally rename /sw to /sw.tmp or something like that.


== Obtaining our source codes ==

For the release versions, visit
http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/src/ .

The latest source codes are managed by subversion.
  $ svn checkout https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/emacs-mac/ 
CarbonEmacs/trunk


== Directory layout ==

  $ ls

GPL
Makefile
Resources
non-GPL


== Building an Intel (or PowerPC) build ==

Try 'make' in the following way.
First, expand the source code and apply various patches to the source  
tree.

  $ make patch

Next, try compile. It may take long time.

  $ make compile

Prepare a disk image file.
If you fail something, unmount the "Emacs" voulme.

  $ make dmg

Compile the various elisp libraries and install them into the "Emacs"  
disk.
If you like, you can edit the "pkg:" section in the Makefile.

  $ make pkg

Now Emacs.app is in the "Emacs" volume.
You can copy it to your application folder, if you want.

To make the "Emacs" volume fancy, try

  $ make icon

Compress the disk image file and unmount the "Emacs" volume.

  $ make done

Now you will see a new disk image file, whose filename is
CarbonEmacs-powerpc-($date).dmg or CarbonEmacs-i386-($date).dmg.



== Redistributing your own package ==

Redistributing your own package is welcome.
Before compiling, you should edit "VERSION" section
in the Makefile and you should edit the file Resources/ReadMe.txt.
Of course I am very happy
if you feedback your enhancements to us.


___________________________________________________________________



From zenitani at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 12:08:55 2007
From: zenitani at gmail.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:08:55 -1000
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 922] sf.jp rejects @mac.com
Message-ID: <90F09C0D-95D3-42D7-80D6-6885234B2B8F@gmail.com>

Dear all,

It seems that our mailing list service rejects emails from @mac.com!

Seiji Zenitani
zenitani at gmail.com
zenitani at mac.com



From federico.maggi at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 18:31:07 2007
From: federico.maggi at gmail.com (Federico Maggi)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:31:07 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 923] Re: new beta
In-Reply-To: <9C30761E-53F9-4E38-BD82-FC08771FE953@gmail.com>
References: <9C30761E-53F9-4E38-BD82-FC08771FE953@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64BAB86C-F8D4-4F59-BFEF-ED47B6543DAE@gmail.com>

On 26/feb/07, at 04:00, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

> Here's latest beta:
> http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/

I get "The application 'Emacs.app' canno be launched." -10661

whenever I launch the beta

cheers,

--

Federico www.Maggi.cc




From zenitani at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 18:45:55 2007
From: zenitani at gmail.com (Seiji Zenitani)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:45:55 -1000
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 924] Re: new beta
In-Reply-To: <64BAB86C-F8D4-4F59-BFEF-ED47B6543DAE@gmail.com>
References: <9C30761E-53F9-4E38-BD82-FC08771FE953@gmail.com>
	<64BAB86C-F8D4-4F59-BFEF-ED47B6543DAE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12D25C11-91E2-48E0-931F-2F384654E295@gmail.com>

Oh, probably you use powerpc macs.
My beta is usually intel only.
I should have noticed that.

Seiji

On 2007/02/25, at 23:31, Federico Maggi wrote:

> On 26/feb/07, at 04:00, Seiji Zenitani wrote:
>
>> Here's latest beta:
>> http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/
>
> I get "The application 'Emacs.app' canno be launched." -10661
>
> whenever I launch the beta
>
> cheers,
>
> --
>
> Federico www.Maggi.cc
>
>
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> macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp
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From federico.maggi at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 18:49:05 2007
From: federico.maggi at gmail.com (Federico Maggi)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:49:05 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 925] Re: new beta
In-Reply-To: <12D25C11-91E2-48E0-931F-2F384654E295@gmail.com>
References: <9C30761E-53F9-4E38-BD82-FC08771FE953@gmail.com>
	<64BAB86C-F8D4-4F59-BFEF-ED47B6543DAE@gmail.com>
	<12D25C11-91E2-48E0-931F-2F384654E295@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5FC09EB5-ADB9-4E42-9687-1C89ECA0E0AE@gmail.com>

On 26/feb/07, at 10:45, Seiji Zenitani wrote:

> Oh, probably you use powerpc macs.

Oh, yes I'm on PowerPC

> My beta is usually intel only.
> I should have noticed that.

Sorry ;-) I'm quite new of this mailing list

thanks anyway

bye,

--

Federico www.Maggi.cc




From pa.news at free.fr  Wed Feb 28 04:28:27 2007
From: pa.news at free.fr (Pierre Albarede)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:28:27 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 926] spurious selection and warnings
Message-ID: <1EBC6F2F-5608-46EA-BFF8-C566E20594EF@free.fr>

Hi,

This is in LaTeX mode, with the latter and former releases of Carbon  
Emacs, and a MacBook.

Often, when I click once into the text, I get a selection that I did  
not expect. This is annoying, because it clutters the kill ring.

When compiling LaTeX I also have warnings in the mini-buffer
Wrong type argument: stringp, nil

There are more such warnings than in the .log,  some must be spurious.

I hope this could be fixed once.

Thanks.




Pierre Albarede http://pierre.albarede.free.fr 
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From woodbird1986 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 15:22:52 2007
From: woodbird1986 at gmail.com (Zhou Yan)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:22:52 +0800
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 927] How to change the default windows size of
	the Carbon Emacs?
Message-ID: <0BB45C92-6248-449D-B88A-0F4A991204CC@gmail.com>

I want to change the startup windows size of the Emacs, make it wider.
For cocoa applications, the windows size should be the same as the  
size last time it was changed, but for Carbon Emacs it seems do not  
work, I think this is just because it is using the carbon API.


From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Feb 28 18:26:56 2007
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:26:56 +0100
Subject: [macemacsjp-english 928] Re: How to change the default windows size
	of the Carbon Emacs?
In-Reply-To: <0BB45C92-6248-449D-B88A-0F4A991204CC@gmail.com>
References: <0BB45C92-6248-449D-B88A-0F4A991204CC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F02AC3-18E5-42E6-ADC5-831E7C963D63@Web.DE>


Am 28.02.2007 um 07:22 schrieb Zhou Yan:

> I want to change the startup windows size of the Emacs, make it wider.

You could try:

         (setq initial-frame-alist '(
           (mouse-color      . "midnightblue")
           (foreground-color . "midnightblue")
           (background-color . "antiquewhite1")
           (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--10-*-*-*-*-*-fontset- 
hiraginomin")
           (top . 10) (left . 650) (width . 123) (height . 60))
	)

         (setq default-frame-alist '(
           (background-color     . "ghost white")
           (foreground-color     . "grey10")
           (cursor-color         . "purple")
           (cursor-type          . box)
           (vertical-scroll-bars . left)
           (active-alpha         . 0.875)
           (inactive-alpha       . 0.75)
           (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--9-*-*-*-*-*-fontset- 
hiraginokaku")
           (top . 20) (left . 150) (width . 89) (height . 56))
	)

--
Greetings

   Pete

"Give a man a fish, and you've fed him for a day. Teach him to fish,  
and you've depleted the lake."