From Martin.Buchmann at uni-jena.de Thu Aug 3 17:55:19 2006 From: Martin.Buchmann at uni-jena.de (Martin Buchmann) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:55:19 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 618] Problem using fixed-width-fontset and CVS CarbonEmacs Message-ID: <44D1B9F7.3000104@uni-jena.de> Hi all, I am using the fixed-width-fontset package with a vanilla CVS CarbonEmacs (22.0.50.1 from 2006-08-01, OS X 10.4.7) I built myself. It is nearly working fine but there are two issues i just noticed: * When I start a new frame with C-x 5 2 the buffer name in the mode-line appears to be smaller [1] than before in the initial frame after startup [2]. The same happens with words indicated by flyspell-mode, i.e. all bold-face characters appear to be smaller than normal text. I have the following lines in my .emacs: (setq default-frame-alist '((top . 45) (left . 25) (width . 85) (height . 48) (active-alpha . 0.95) (inactive-alpha . 0.8) (font . "-*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-osaka") )) (setq initial-frame-alist default-frame-alist) If I add (set-default-font "-*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-osaka") before these even in the initial frame the bold face characters are smaller. * If I want to choose a font size smaller than 10pt via S-Mouse-1 my Emacs just freezes [3], i.e. nothing is shown at all and nothing changes even if I wait several minutes. I have no idea what's wrong with my setup. Does anybody know what's wrong here or has faced the same problems? Best regards Martin [1] http://www.uni-jena.de/~p4buma/downloads/New_Frame.png [2] http://www.uni-jena.de/~p4buma/downloads/Initial_Frame.png [3] http://www.uni-jena.de/~p4buma/downloads/Emacs_frozen.png -- The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully. -- Russian Proverb From stough at cis.ksu.edu Mon Aug 7 01:57:33 2006 From: stough at cis.ksu.edu (Alley Stoughton) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:57:33 -0500 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 619] Mac-Style Print Dialog Message-ID: <1154883453.44d61f7d234b0@webmail.ksu.edu> Can someone point me to information about how to use the Mac-Style Print Dialog option? When I selected it, and used A-p, I hoped to see a dialog box, but instead I was just told my job was spooled. Thanks for any help! Alley From zenitani at mac.com Mon Aug 7 02:43:15 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 02:43:15 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 620] Re: Mac-Style Print Dialog In-Reply-To: <1154883453.44d61f7d234b0@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1154883453.44d61f7d234b0@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <0D9119FD-8C07-4B0B-9A50-193ABC51506A@mac.com> On 2006/08/07, at 1:57, Alley Stoughton wrote: > Can someone point me to information about how to use > the Mac-Style Print Dialog option? When I selected it, > and used A-p, I hoped to see a dialog box, but instead I > was just told my job was spooled. > > Thanks for any help! > > Alley Save the option and restart emacs. The change does not take effect until restart, due to unknown problems. Seiji From statmobile at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 04:22:28 2006 From: statmobile at gmail.com (Brian J. Lopes) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:22:28 -0400 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 621] Re: Mac-Style Print Dialog In-Reply-To: <0D9119FD-8C07-4B0B-9A50-193ABC51506A@mac.com> References: <1154883453.44d61f7d234b0@webmail.ksu.edu> <0D9119FD-8C07-4B0B-9A50-193ABC51506A@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060806192228.GA22339@bjl> On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 02:43:15AM +0900, Seiji Zenitani wrote: > On 2006/08/07, at 1:57, Alley Stoughton wrote: > > Can someone point me to information about how to use > > the Mac-Style Print Dialog option? When I selected it, > > and used A-p, I hoped to see a dialog box, but instead I > > was just told my job was spooled. > > Save the option and restart emacs. The change does not take effect > until restart, due to unknown problems. This sounds like something I would like as well, which option is it that we need to save? Is it something I could add to my .emacs file, or is it something in the Carbon Emacs menu? Thanks, Brian From zenitani at mac.com Mon Aug 7 11:09:32 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:09:32 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 622] Re: Mac-Style Print Dialog In-Reply-To: <20060806192228.GA22339@bjl> References: <1154883453.44d61f7d234b0@webmail.ksu.edu> <0D9119FD-8C07-4B0B-9A50-193ABC51506A@mac.com> <20060806192228.GA22339@bjl> Message-ID: On 2006/08/07, at 4:22, Brian J. Lopes wrote: > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 02:43:15AM +0900, Seiji Zenitani wrote: >> On 2006/08/07, at 1:57, Alley Stoughton wrote: >>> Can someone point me to information about how to use >>> the Mac-Style Print Dialog option? When I selected it, >>> and used A-p, I hoped to see a dialog box, but instead I >>> was just told my job was spooled. >> >> Save the option and restart emacs. The change does not take effect >> until restart, due to unknown problems. > > This sounds like something I would like as well, which option is it > that we need to save? Is it something I could add to my .emacs file, > or is it something in the Carbon Emacs menu? In the Carbon Emacs menu. 1. Check "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Mac-Style Print Dialog". 2. Save Changes by "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Save Changes...". 3. Restart your emacs. Seiji Zenitani zenitani at mac.com From alex at emacswiki.org Mon Aug 7 17:29:51 2006 From: alex at emacswiki.org (Alex Schroeder) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:29:51 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 623] Re: Mac-Style Print Dialog In-Reply-To: References: <1154883453.44d61f7d234b0@webmail.ksu.edu> <0D9119FD-8C07-4B0B-9A50-193ABC51506A@mac.com> <20060806192228.GA22339@bjl> Message-ID: <44D6F9FF.7010206@emacswiki.org> Seiji Zenitani schrieb: > In the Carbon Emacs menu. > > 1. Check "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Mac-Style Print Dialog". > 2. Save Changes by "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Save Changes...". > 3. Restart your emacs. Cool, I didn't know that. :) I've added the following to my .emacs: (when (fboundp 'mac-print-mode) (mac-print-mode 1) (global-set-key (kbd "C-c p") 'mac-print-buffer)) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Check "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Mac-Style Print Dialog". >> 2. Save Changes by "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Save Changes...". >> 3. Restart your emacs. > > Cool, I didn't know that. :) > > I've added the following to my .emacs: > > (when (fboundp 'mac-print-mode) > (mac-print-mode 1) > (global-set-key (kbd "C-c p") 'mac-print-buffer)) Seiji Zenitani zenitani at mac.com From alex at emacswiki.org Tue Aug 8 18:52:14 2006 From: alex at emacswiki.org (Alex Schroeder) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:52:14 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 625] Re: Mac-Style Print Dialog In-Reply-To: <192F11DA-B971-427C-B41F-092549BBCBAA@mac.com> References: <1154883453.44d61f7d234b0@webmail.ksu.edu> <0D9119FD-8C07-4B0B-9A50-193ABC51506A@mac.com> <20060806192228.GA22339@bjl> <44D6F9FF.7010206@emacswiki.org> <192F11DA-B971-427C-B41F-092549BBCBAA@mac.com> Message-ID: <44D85ECE.20109@emacswiki.org> Done. :) Seiji Zenitani schrieb: > Hi, > > I updated the wiki: > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs-en/CarbonEmacsPackage#toc11 > > Does anyone replace the screenshot with English screenshot? > > On 2006/08/07, at 17:29, Alex Schroeder wrote: > >> Seiji Zenitani schrieb: >>> In the Carbon Emacs menu. >>> >>> 1. Check "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Mac-Style Print Dialog". >>> 2. Save Changes by "Help > Carbon Emacs Package > Save Changes...". >>> 3. Restart your emacs. >> Cool, I didn't know that. :) >> >> I've added the following to my .emacs: >> >> (when (fboundp 'mac-print-mode) >> (mac-print-mode 1) >> (global-set-key (kbd "C-c p") 'mac-print-buffer)) > > > Seiji Zenitani > zenitani at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > macemacsjp-english mailing list > macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp > http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/archives/macemacsjp-english/attachments/20060808/89215ce5/attachment.pgp From mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch Wed Aug 16 21:06:48 2006 From: mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch (Mahn-Soo Choi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:06:48 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 626] Opening UTF-8 text files Message-ID: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, All. I just started to learn Spanish and naturally to write Spanish setences. Then I found a strange (to me) behavior of Emacs when it opens UTF-8 text files. I want to understand what it actually does. I have three files, named "tmp.txt", "tmp.utf", and "tmp-more.txt", respectively. They are all encoded in UTF-8. "tmp.txt" and "tmp.utf" are exactly the same. (The unix "file" utility find correctly that they are encoded in UTF-8. The unix "diff" utility finds no difference between the two files.) "tmp-more.txt" is almost the same, but has additional non-Latin characters. 1. When Emacs opens (finds) the file "tmp.txt", it looks like: Espa??ol - ??Todo para la Educaci??n Hispana Primaria y .. (all broken) because it opens the file in the Latin-1 coding system. 2. On the other hand, when Emacs opens the file "tmp.utf", it looks quite correct: Espa?ol - ?Todo para la Educaci?n Hispana Primaria y ... Okay, apparently, Emacs does something depending on the `file-coding-system-alist'. The question is: Why does Emacs ignore the coding system (UTF-8) of the file contents? 3. Even more surprsing, Emacs opens the file "tmp-more.txt" also correctly: Espa?ol - ?Todo para la Educaci?n Hispana Primaria y ... Plus ?? Now, there are several things I don't understand here. I thought (naively) Latin-1 is just a subset of UTF-8 and Latin-1 encoded file should look the same either in the UTF-8 mode or Latin-1 mode. Apparently, I'm wrong? If I'm wrong, then why does Emacs ignore the coding system information of the file and open it in Latin-1 coding? FYI, I alwasy set (set-language-environment 'English) (set-default-coding-systems 'utf-8-unix) (mac-setup-inline-input-method) My Carbon Emacs Package version is: GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (i386-apple-darwin8.6.1) of 2006-06-16 on petit.local I will gratefully appreciate your help. Best regards, mahn-soo From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Wed Aug 16 21:31:49 2006 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:31:49 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 627] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 16 ao?t 06, at 21:06, Mahn-Soo Choi wrote: > Now, there are several things I don't understand here. I thought > (naively) Latin-1 is just a subset of UTF-8 and Latin-1 encoded file > should look the same either in the UTF-8 mode or Latin-1 mode. I can't answer the other questions but as far as this one is concerned, Latin-1 is not a subset of unicode. ASCII is. This is the reason why one byte encodings are not mutually compatible. The ASCII part is left as is but the 8th bit is used to define the other 128 codes, which differ according to the language they code. Jean-Christophe Helary From Peter_Dyballa at web.DE Wed Aug 16 22:19:30 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:19:30 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 628] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> Am 16.08.2006 um 14:06 schrieb Mahn-Soo Choi: > FYI, I alwasy set > > (set-language-environment 'English) Don't do this! This sets a 7 or 8 bit environment as default. I think it does not work to overcome this faulty setting later. > (set-default-coding-systems 'utf-8-unix) Instead of this tell Emacs that you have the environment variable LC_ALL or LANG set to some UTF-8 value. Use better (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8m) Open CharacterPalette and choose ?. You'll see that this ISO Latin-1 character is UTF-8 encoded as the two octets C3 B1, being displayed or interpreted in an ISO Latin-1 character encoding as ??! You can teach Emacs a particular encoding using a first line with such a contents: -*- mode: Text; coding: iso-8859-16; -*- or by using file (buffer) local variables like these at the end of the file: % % Local Variables: % mode: LaTeX % fill-column: 160 % coding-system: iso-latin-9 % End: % %% Choose in both cases comment characters that suit the mode chosen! -- Greetings Pete A morning without coffee is like something without something else. From mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch Wed Aug 16 23:25:27 2006 From: mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch (Mahn-Soo Choi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:25:27 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 629] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> Message-ID: <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Pete, many thanks!! Among your suggestions (which are also great tips for me), I like this best: (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8m) Best, mahn-soo From mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch Wed Aug 16 23:52:59 2006 From: mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch (Mahn-Soo Choi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:52:59 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 630] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fc105050608160752s37b07236v3449892e2216bcec@mail.gmail.com> 2006/8/16, Jean-Christophe Helary : > I can't answer the other questions but as far as this one is > concerned, Latin-1 is not a subset of unicode. ASCII is. This is the > reason why one byte encodings are not mutually compatible. The ASCII > part is left as is but the 8th bit is used to define the other 128 > codes, which differ according to the language they code. > Dear Jean-Christophe, You're right. I was too naive. I hope I can have a better understanding of European languages soon or later. Best, mahn-soo From zenitani at mac.com Wed Aug 16 23:57:13 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:57:13 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 631] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> Dear Pete and Mahn-Soo, On 2006/08/16, at 23:25, Mahn-Soo Choi wrote: > > Among your suggestions (which are also > great tips for me), I like this best: > (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8m) If possible, use (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) instead. Since utf-8m is a fake coding system based on utf-8, I don't recommend utf-8m in such usual situations. Also, I think > (mac-setup-inline-input-method) is not necessary. The system input-method is on by default, unless explicitly turned off. -- Seiji From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp Thu Aug 17 00:21:20 2006 From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:21:20 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 632] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <1fc105050608160752s37b07236v3449892e2216bcec@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <1fc105050608160752s37b07236v3449892e2216bcec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D90763F-A735-4153-9CAC-48A84B182CC6@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Mahn-soo, It is not only European languages that used the 8th byte. Japanese used it to produce what we call "hankaku" (??, half size) characters, mostly katakana and punctuation marks. Now single byte Japanese is obsolete but the characters remain in double byte encoding... And good luck with Spanish ! I gave up on Korean a long while ago, not being able to distinguish some vowels and consonants that sounded too similar for my ear... Jean-Christophe On 16 ao?t 06, at 23:52, Mahn-Soo Choi wrote: > 2006/8/16, Jean-Christophe Helary : >> I can't answer the other questions but as far as this one is >> concerned, Latin-1 is not a subset of unicode. ASCII is. This is the >> reason why one byte encodings are not mutually compatible. The ASCII >> part is left as is but the 8th bit is used to define the other 128 >> codes, which differ according to the language they code. >> > Dear Jean-Christophe, > You're right. I was too naive. I hope I can have a better > understanding of European languages soon or later. > Best, > mahn-soo > _______________________________________________ > macemacsjp-english mailing list > macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp > http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english > From mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch Thu Aug 17 02:17:46 2006 From: mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch (Mahn-Soo Choi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:17:46 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 633] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> Message-ID: <1fc105050608161017p4ba0bd2v2c3c5a997a88af13@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Seiji, Ah, thanks for pointing it out. Actually, I have to turn on and off the system input method, because I have to switch between the Mule Spanish input method and the system input mehtod (for Korean, of course). (Therefore, the word "always" in my previous message was misleading.) There, I was wondering: After switching to Spanish environment (and back to Korean), each time, I had to invoke (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8m) TWICE (well, a function does it for me; not a big deal). Now, your recommendation (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) sets what I want at one go. Quite happy. ;-) BTW, what is 'set-default-coding-systems' for when we have 'prefer-coding-system'? Only confusing to simple end-users like me, isn't it? Best, mahn-soo > If possible, use > (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) > instead. Since utf-8m is a fake coding system based on utf-8, I don't > recommend utf-8m in such usual situations. > > Also, I think > > (mac-setup-inline-input-method) > is not necessary. The system input-method is on by default, unless > explicitly turned off. > > > -- Seiji From Peter_Dyballa at web.DE Thu Aug 17 02:22:06 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:22:06 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 634] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> Message-ID: <910C4B92-5AEB-43AA-BC2F-4E5F8A2F4A4E@web.DE> Am 16.08.2006 um 16:57 schrieb Seiji Zenitani: >> Among your suggestions (which are also >> great tips for me), I like this best: >> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8m) > > If possible, use > (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) > instead. Since utf-8m is a fake coding system based on utf-8, I don't > recommend utf-8m in such usual situations. Wasn't utf-8m created for Carbon Emacs Package (and probably also useful in Aquamacs Emacs) to overcome limitations in the GNU Emacs 22.0.50 code? To serve the UTF-8 file name encoding in HFS+? -- Greetings Pete A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. From mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch Thu Aug 17 02:27:34 2006 From: mahn-soo.choi at unibas.ch (Mahn-Soo Choi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:27:34 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 635] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <7D90763F-A735-4153-9CAC-48A84B182CC6@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <1fc105050608160752s37b07236v3449892e2216bcec@mail.gmail.com> <7D90763F-A735-4153-9CAC-48A84B182CC6@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> Message-ID: <1fc105050608161027pca774f7md0f47944b5e3bb28@mail.gmail.com> Hi, again. > It is not only European languages that used the 8th byte. Japanese > used it to produce what we call "hankaku" (??, half size) > characters, mostly katakana and punctuation marks. Now single byte > Japanese is obsolete but the characters remain in double byte > encoding... Sure. > And good luck with Spanish ! I gave up on Korean a long while ago, > not being able to distinguish some vowels and consonants that sounded > too similar for my ear... Muchos gracias! ;-) Adi?s. Yours, mahn-soo From zenitani at mac.com Thu Aug 17 07:56:03 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:56:03 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 636] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <1fc105050608161017p4ba0bd2v2c3c5a997a88af13@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> <1fc105050608161017p4ba0bd2v2c3c5a997a88af13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7CDD86CF-37D7-48C3-B790-1E7C2929052A@mac.com> Hi, On 2006/08/17, at 2:17, Mahn-Soo Choi wrote: > BTW, what is 'set-default-coding-systems' for when we have > 'prefer-coding-system'? Only confusing to simple end-users like me, > isn't it? > I'm not sure. Emacs is too confusing to me, too. On 2006/08/17, at 2:22, Peter Dyballa wrote: > Am 16.08.2006 um 16:57 schrieb Seiji Zenitani: >>> Among your suggestions (which are also >>> great tips for me), I like this best: >>> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8m) >> >> If possible, use >> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) >> instead. Since utf-8m is a fake coding system based on utf-8, I don't >> recommend utf-8m in such usual situations. > > Wasn't utf-8m created for Carbon Emacs Package (and probably also > useful in Aquamacs Emacs) to overcome limitations in the GNU Emacs > 22.0.50 code? To serve the UTF-8 file name encoding in HFS+? > Yes. We use utf-8m for HFS+ filenames, but in this case of file encodings, utf-8 is better. -- Seiji From Peter_Dyballa at web.DE Thu Aug 17 08:25:29 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:25:29 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 637] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <1fc105050608161017p4ba0bd2v2c3c5a997a88af13@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> <1fc105050608161017p4ba0bd2v2c3c5a997a88af13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40813290-9EB3-4B54-99C8-2A2AC0D51740@web.DE> Am 16.08.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Mahn-Soo Choi: > BTW, what is 'set-default-coding-systems' for when we have > 'prefer-coding-system'? Only confusing to simple end-users like me, > isn't it? The former really sets, the latter puts the argument on top of a stack of coding systems. GNU Emacs than has the chance to make a first choice from what you prefer. You can use the latter command more than once. IMO the prefer form is the better choice, because the set form would overwrite any well set of settings gained from reading the environment variables LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE, or LANG. -- Greetings Pete Mac OS X is like a wigwam: no fences, no gates, but an apache inside. From Peter_Dyballa at web.DE Thu Aug 17 08:29:19 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:29:19 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 638] Re: Opening UTF-8 text files In-Reply-To: <7CDD86CF-37D7-48C3-B790-1E7C2929052A@mac.com> References: <1fc105050608160506u465825ccya1f7d35653e23d6e@mail.gmail.com> <5AF7EBD9-E7AA-42D5-AD89-279EDBDE99BD@web.DE> <1fc105050608160725l1699a5ffud981fbcaa4a6e69f@mail.gmail.com> <76493C4F-4F7E-46AA-B798-3169EC79512F@mac.com> <1fc105050608161017p4ba0bd2v2c3c5a997a88af13@mail.gmail.com> <7CDD86CF-37D7-48C3-B790-1E7C2929052A@mac.com> Message-ID: <2A5356FB-0106-4C86-9FFF-8AF8C22EC4B4@web.DE> Am 17.08.2006 um 00:56 schrieb Seiji Zenitani: > Yes. We use utf-8m for HFS+ filenames, but in this case of file > encodings, utf-8 is better. Ah, I see now: prefer-coding-system with the proper utf-8, and file- name-coding-system with the specialised utf-8m! Thank you very much for this clarification! -- Greetings Pete "What do you think of Western Civilisation?" "I think it would be a good idea!" -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi From zenitani at mac.com Sat Aug 19 16:23:10 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:23:10 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 639] Fwd: greetings from Poland! References: <89ba565b6fca162aca632768a46915f5@post.pl> Message-ID: <49ED31DD-52AB-461D-B70A-A056670083AE@mac.com> Hi, I forward an email from Tomasz Mieszkowski, with a beautiful icon file. -- Seiji ??????????? Begin forwarded message: > From: Tomasz Mieszkowski > Date: 2006?8?18? 19:42:58:JST > To: SeijiZenitani > Subject: greetings from Poland! > > Hi, > > Here's my custom icon for Carbon Emacs Package that I've done some > time ago - feel free to use it if you like it. And - thanks for > this great piece of software! :) > > cheers, > tomek > > -- > People are not machines, but in all situations where they are given > the opportunity, they will act like machines. > (K.L. von Bertalanffy, GST) > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/archives/macemacsjp-english/attachments/20060819/ea59ec3a/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Emacs.icns Type: image/icns Size: 50173 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/archives/macemacsjp-english/attachments/20060819/ea59ec3a/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/archives/macemacsjp-english/attachments/20060819/ea59ec3a/attachment-0001.htm From zenitani at mac.com Mon Aug 21 06:07:38 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:07:38 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 640] New beta Message-ID: Hi, New betas (for intel macs) are available at the following URL. http://macemacsjp.sourceforge.jp/package/test/ -- Seiji From cstacy at dtpq.com Wed Aug 23 11:38:56 2006 From: cstacy at dtpq.com (Christopher C.Stacy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:38:56 -0400 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 641] startup error (CFMessagePort) Message-ID: When I launch more than one Emacs (which I do many times a day, from the command line), the following error appears: 2006-08-22 22:33:56.837 Emacs[632] CFLog (0): CFMessagePort: bootstrap_register(): failed 1103 (0x44f), port = 0x3e03, name = 'org.gnu.Emacs.ServiceProvider' See /usr/include/servers/bootstrap_defs.h for the error codes. 2006-08-22 22:33:56.852 Emacs[632] CFLog (99): CFMessagePortCreateLocal(): failed to name Mach port (org.gnu.Emacs.ServiceProvider) I imagine this has to do with registering as a Service (for doing things like opening files from other programs) or something. How about a flag that inhibits that error message? I don't care that some other Emacs has already registered, and get tired of seeing it zillions of times. It makes a mess in the *shell* buffer I use as my command line interface in the "main" Emacs I always have running. From Peter_Dyballa at web.DE Wed Aug 23 16:44:07 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:44:07 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 642] Re: startup error (CFMessagePort) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 23.08.2006 um 04:38 schrieb Christopher C.Stacy: > When I launch more than one Emacs Why do you need to do this? If you want to make Carbon Emacs edit a particular file you can start 'emacs-server' and use emacsclient to transfer a file from the command line to a running Emacs. Or you can use a *shell* or *eshell* or *terminal* buffer inside Carbon Emacs ? no need for an 'external' command line! Nevertheless some code should be added to make the second etc. instance of Carbon Emacs kind of inferior, not advertising any services. I am astonished that it works to launch more than one instance: usually the system sees that one instance is already running and then it only puts this instance into the foreground ... -- Greetings Pete "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" origin unknown From david.reitter at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 17:13:01 2006 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:13:01 +0100 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 643] Re: startup error (CFMessagePort) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EC2AE3E-BC56-4E5A-B7C6-0755C6BD2A59@gmail.com> On 23 Aug 2006, at 08:44, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 23.08.2006 um 04:38 schrieb Christopher C.Stacy: > >> When I launch more than one Emacs > > Why do you need to do this? If you want to make Carbon Emacs edit a > particular file you can start 'emacs-server' and use emacsclient to > transfer a file from the command line to a running Emacs. Or you can > use a *shell* or *eshell* or *terminal* buffer inside Carbon Emacs ? > no need for an 'external' command line! Given the fact that een in 2006 Emacs is not multi-threaded and a single operation (e.g. a CVS checkin, calculation in R via ESS) can block the entire editor, Chris may have valid reasons! If that's not the case, I wouldn't bother with emacs-server. I wrote a little startup script a while ago: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CustomizeAquamacs#toc5 It's written for Aquamacs, but a little customization should make it work with Carbon Emacs just the same. D From Peter_Dyballa at web.DE Wed Aug 23 17:31:32 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:31:32 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 644] Re: startup error (CFMessagePort) In-Reply-To: <1EC2AE3E-BC56-4E5A-B7C6-0755C6BD2A59@gmail.com> References: <1EC2AE3E-BC56-4E5A-B7C6-0755C6BD2A59@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21795BF0-AEAA-497D-93E1-9A385F7999C7@web.DE> Am 23.08.2006 um 10:13 schrieb David Reitter: > Given the fact that een in 2006 Emacs is not multi-threaded and a > single operation (e.g. a CVS checkin, calculation in R via ESS) can > block the entire editor, Chris may have valid reasons! Then the code for this actions needs some update! A CVS check-out or update or a configure in the one *compilation* buffer or a compilation runs as one task among others in its dedicated buffer and one's free to work in shell or edit and LaTeX some document(s) ... -- Mit friedvollen Gr??en Pete A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five. From khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU Thu Aug 24 03:22:09 2006 From: khansen at stat.Berkeley.EDU (Kasper Daniel Hansen) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:22:09 -0700 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 645] Re: startup error (CFMessagePort) In-Reply-To: <1EC2AE3E-BC56-4E5A-B7C6-0755C6BD2A59@gmail.com> References: <1EC2AE3E-BC56-4E5A-B7C6-0755C6BD2A59@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A88F9BC-770E-4869-9C8A-055BC3172755@stat.berkeley.edu> On Aug 23, 2006, at 1:13 AM, David Reitter wrote: > On 23 Aug 2006, at 08:44, Peter Dyballa wrote: > >> >> Am 23.08.2006 um 04:38 schrieb Christopher C.Stacy: >> >>> When I launch more than one Emacs >> >> Why do you need to do this? If you want to make Carbon Emacs edit a >> particular file you can start 'emacs-server' and use emacsclient to >> transfer a file from the command line to a running Emacs. Or you can >> use a *shell* or *eshell* or *terminal* buffer inside Carbon Emacs ? >> no need for an 'external' command line! > > Given the fact that een in 2006 Emacs is not multi-threaded and a > single operation (e.g. a CVS checkin, calculation in R via ESS) can From the point of view of ESS: press C-g while the computation is running to get control over Emacs again. The only problem is really that a "computing" R process blocks the help system since it uses R to search the help pages. I am only mentioning this because I recently heard some people being unaware of it. You can also do a C-c C-c (I think, it is in my hands :) to actually stop the computation. Kasper > block the entire editor, Chris may have valid reasons! > > If that's not the case, I wouldn't bother with emacs-server. > I wrote a little startup script a while ago: > > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CustomizeAquamacs#toc5 > > It's written for Aquamacs, but a little customization should make it > work with Carbon Emacs just the same. > > D > > _______________________________________________ > macemacsjp-english mailing list > macemacsjp-english at lists.sourceforge.jp > http://lists.sourceforge.jp/mailman/listinfo/macemacsjp-english From zenitani at mac.com Mon Aug 28 03:43:09 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:43:09 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 646] Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) Message-ID: Hi all, Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) is available. http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html -- Seiji Zenitani zenitani at mac.com ==== ??????????? ?????????????????? ?????????????????? http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-j.html -- ???? zenitani at mac.com From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Mon Aug 28 05:47:02 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:47:02 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 647] Re: Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30315A11-2B78-43F4-98FF-D78A40985AE6@Web.DE> Am 27.08.2006 um 20:43 schrieb Seiji Zenitani: > Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) is available. I know, the sun rises first over your country, but I cannot believe that you already have September ... or are you using an orthodox calendar? -- Greetings Pete "What do you think of Western Civilisation?" "I think it would be a good idea!" -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Mon Aug 28 08:16:59 2006 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:16:59 +0200 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 648] Re: Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74F71054-1E23-4E9B-BB62-24F183290C7E@Web.DE> Am 27.08.2006 um 20:43 schrieb Seiji Zenitani: > Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) is available. I net-installed yatex (great, how easy it works) and wanted to read the *info* node, which did not work. The reason is that I have an INFOPATH variable. Could add into site-lisp.el or such a line like (setenv "INFOPATH" (concat "/Applications/EmacsJCVS.app/Contents/ Resources/info" ":" (getenv "INFOPATH"))) Well, it's my path here, but I presume you have a variable that describes from where Carbon Emacs actually launched. -- Greetings Pete ????? ?snq? ?,u?? no? ??? ?u?????u? s?? poo? ????? From zenitani at mac.com Tue Aug 29 00:17:42 2006 From: zenitani at mac.com (Seiji Zenitani) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:17:42 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 649] Re: Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) In-Reply-To: <74F71054-1E23-4E9B-BB62-24F183290C7E@Web.DE> References: <74F71054-1E23-4E9B-BB62-24F183290C7E@Web.DE> Message-ID: Hi, On 2006/08/28, at 8:16, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 27.08.2006 um 20:43 schrieb Seiji Zenitani: > >> Carbon Emacs Package (Sep. '06) is available. > > I net-installed yatex (great, how easy it works) and wanted to read > the *info* node, which did not work. The reason is that I have an > INFOPATH variable. Could add into site-lisp.el or such a line like > > (setenv "INFOPATH" (concat "/Applications/EmacsJCVS.app/Contents/ > Resources/info" ":" (getenv "INFOPATH"))) > > Well, it's my path here, but I presume you have a variable that > describes from where Carbon Emacs actually launched. > Reasonable. I'll add the following lines to Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/site-start.d/carbon-emacs- path.el. (carbon-emacs-package-add-to-env "INFOPATH" (concat carbon-emacs-package-app-path "/Contents/Resources/info")) > I know, the sun rises first over your country, but I cannot believe > that you already have September ... or are you using an orthodox > calendar? I know we have some days to go until September. :-) Don't mind it. -- Seiji From irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp Wed Aug 30 00:00:55 2006 From: irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp (irodori at irodori.sakura.ne.jp) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:00:55 +0900 Subject: [macemacsjp-english 650] Carbon Emacs Package for Panther 2006/09 is out Message-ID: Hello everyone. I made Carbon Emacs Package for Panther 2006/09 ver. based on 20060901 source by Zenitani-san. It is available at: http://irodori.sakura.ne.jp/carbon-emacs/index.en.xhtml Regards. -- Eiji Honjoh irodori RINGO - little tools for Mac OS X http://irodori.sakura.ne.jp/